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Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by ileonichwiesz »

roysting wrote: post #102
merlindru wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i hope you're wrong. they certainly have seemed to test the waters on many other fronts. the $99/yr notarization fee is now basically required as running unnotarized apps is made hard and scary enough to turn off probably 97% of average users they also briefly took away the ability to disable gatekeeper per terminal command (now back) next they wanna launch a touchscreen macbook, presumably this fall

I hope they don’t ever do a touchscreen MacBook. They already have every angle of that use case covered far better than the competition; either you get an iPad if you absolutely need to be pawing at a screen, or you have the excellent trackpads that are far and away par excellence. I don’t see how a touch screen on top of also the industry standard for screen quality will in any way improve by having greasy finger tr…

> How would a touchscreen MacBook improve on something?

It won’t, but there’s now an entire generation of users who get confused and angry if any kind of display doesn’t react when you poke it with your finger.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by trymas »

tomovo wrote: post #104

The justification by Apple is that it keeps the concentricity between window corner and the red/green/yellow window controls. Which, as you may notice, it does. It's wrong though, because the window is the higher element in the hierarchy (container) and should not be affected by what is inside. It creates a larger inconsistency than the "consistency" it supposedly brings.

my other comment on this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321852

Traffic light buttons were already equidistant to the edge of the window. Now they are trying to center circles in squircles[1], breaking window edges and draggability, etc.

> It creates a larger inconsistency than the "consistency" it supposedly brings.

That's why I am baffled (as many commenters here) - how did this went out all the way to release, instead of ending as an experiment at design floor.

[1] parent comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321065

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by nashashmi »

hulitu wrote: post #137
nashashmi wrote: post #51

The rounded corners is such a key element of apple design. They patented rounded corners on the iphone for precisely this reason. They wanted to trademark this but got a design patent instead. And then samsung notoriously copied this one almost verbatim same radius which pissed off apple.

> The rounded corners is such a key element of apple design. See Windows 11.

Windows corner is a lot sharper/smaller than the apple corner.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by StilesCrisis »

coldtea wrote: post #133
s3p wrote: post #85

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This one has always confused me. And then, to be even more confusing, if you start sliding up slowly, the background does not disappear. It stays this time around. Pull down slowly, no background, just the glass effect. Pull up slowly, still have the background, no glass effect. I guess I don't necessarily hate it, it's more of a neutral thing, but who is deciding these strange things??

> I guess I don't necessarily hate it, it's more of a neutral thing, but who is deciding these strange things?? Probably nobody, just some artifact of the overlay APIs used default behavior that they didn't bother to streamline.

In this case, the behavior is so weird and easy to trigger that I'm sure someone has filed a radar by now. So somebody has at least written a post-hoc justification?

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Post by embedding-shape »

unfunco wrote: post #108
postalcoder wrote: post #12

This one really bothers me. Whenever maximizing or tiling my windows (which is all the time), I see multiple layers of oddly rounded corners. I think if there's any upside to Tahoe, the grievances may push me into blogging for the first time ever, because I can't keep these to myself. I actually feel sorry for Apple's developers because there's no way you ship software this bad and inconsistent unless you've been han…

Are the Apple-owned app windows inconsistent too? I see some inconsistencies but it's generally 3rd party apps mixed with Apple's apps.

> Are the Apple-owned app windows inconsistent too? I see some inconsistencies but it's generally 3rd party apps mixed with Apple's apps.

Does it matter if it's 3rd party apps or not? Wasn't a huge part of the sell with Apple's own GUI toolkits that all native apps work uniquely, but look familiar and like part of one and the same? The consistency and "all apps look and work great" I seem to recall being one of the "features" people used to tout about OSX.

FWIW; TFA compares the border radius of TextEdit and Calculator, both two Apple apps, built-in nonetheless.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by iamcalledrob »

This is an issue on Linux too, especially when Wayland is used and applications are responsible for drawing their own chrome. Ugh.

HOWEVER, due to the open nature of the platform, you can install an extension to clean this up. Now, all my windows have identical corner radii, strokes, shadows etc. My Linux desktop is, surprisingly, more consistent now than macOS in this regard.

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/7048/rounded-window-c...

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by embedding-shape »

Towaway69 wrote: post #114
ajkjk wrote: post #77

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There are people who have OCD and can’t help but seeing these things. It’s great for coding and seeing minor changes but its shit for real life - trust me. The number of times auto update of some app has caused the thought process “but that wasn’t like that yesterday… or was it… hm… oh it was an update”. Just minor things, small mostly unnoticeable if don’t have an “eye for details”.

> There are people who have OCD and can’t help but seeing these things. It’s great for coding and seeing minor changes but its shit for real life - trust me.

I don't have OCD, but easily notice inconsistencies in various design choices these mega-corporations continue to fumble.

It's less "OMG I can't focus on coding because Calculator and TextEdit aren't sharing the same border radius" but more "The UX/UI department seems like they're on perpetual vacation if Apple is letting simple things like this slip through", and this specific case is just an example, every version of macOS seems to get worse when it comes to consistency.

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Post by jlnthws »

chilmers wrote: post #132
merlindru wrote: post #61

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> seemingly bright idea i disagree about that one. im not a UX expert by any means but my first impression at WWDC seeing liquid glass was "holy shit, they pulled that off? i know apple would never compromise on legibility, so... how? there are so many situations where this won't work, and they can't exactly control the content that the buttons are overlaid on top of" cue my confusion when it was exactly that: an obv…

I think a primary concern when Apple evolves their new design language nowadays is competitive differentiation. Because so many people try to clone their UI, they seek to add visual elements like frosting, glass, squircles, etc. that are difficult or impossible to achieve in competing platforms. Gradually others catch up and they need to evolve it again. Liquid Glass seems like an aesthetic choice made purely for the…

Wouldn't that imply that design is solved (at least regarding visual elements discussed here)? Then why not move onto other things? Why self-sabotage their success?
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