This was one of the very few advantages of moving from Linux => MacOS, that at least most of the software was beautiful and consistent by default. I'm saddened to see that this is not true anymore. Been holding the Tahoe upgrade, and might just keep my macbook air m1 much longer than originally intended because of this.
macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses
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#12This one really bothers me. Whenever maximizing or tiling my windows (which is all the time), I see multiple layers of oddly rounded corners.
I think if there's any upside to Tahoe, the grievances may push me into blogging for the first time ever, because I can't keep these to myself.
I actually feel sorry for Apple's developers because there's no way you ship software this bad and inconsistent unless you've been handed a terrible design spec from Dye's team.
edit: On my screen, three layers' corners https://hcker.news/tahoe-corners.png
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#13This feels like one of those "done for backwards compatibility and we tested not doing it and it was worse" things where everyone assumes incompetence over good-faith trade-offs being driven by release schedules.
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#14It keeps annoying me, too. How can their developers not see this?!
Because they did it on purpose to demonstrate their utter contempt for their users and to show us how wrong we are.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because that's by design. The windows are meant to have different corner radius, they even explained it at WWDC. Then people forgot and rediscovered it again, like it was some new thing. I am not saying that it's a good idea to have different corner radius, just that it's nothing new.
> they even explained it at WWDC Did they explain the reasoning?
To align the window corner radius to the window close/minimize/resize buttons distance from the edge of the window.
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#16I hadn’t noticed this before, but now I can’t unsee it.
UI inconsistencies like that tend to stand out once someone points them out.
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#17It keeps annoying me, too. How can their developers not see this?!
Yep, it’s just ugly IMO
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because that's by design. The windows are meant to have different corner radius, they even explained it at WWDC. Then people forgot and rediscovered it again, like it was some new thing. I am not saying that it's a good idea to have different corner radius, just that it's nothing new.
> they even explained it at WWDC Did they explain the reasoning?
> In the new design system, windows now have a softer, more generous corner radius, which varies based on the style of window. Windows with toolbars now use a larger radius, which is designed to wrap concentrically around the glass toolbar elements, scaling to match the size of the toolbar. Titlebar-only windows retain a smaller corner radius, wrapping compactly around the window controls. These larger corners provide a softer feel and elegant concentricity to the window…
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they even explained it at WWDC Did they explain the reasoning?
To align the window corner radius to the window close/minimize/resize buttons distance from the edge of the window.
I'd rather have my corners perfect and not have the constant eyesore of pixels bleeding from other windows' corners!
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#20Im gonna go against the grain here, so hold your pitchforks please, but I think its better than if it were consistent. Let me explain:
The author notices that adding a toolbar changes the radius, and to me it makes sense. If theres a toolbar, I know how much I can cut the corners, because the icons in the toolbar are not gonna be in far corner. At the same time, when I am unsure about what type of content might get cut by the corner, I will reduce the cut slightly to give that content more space.
I couldnt care less that one radius is not the same as another, I guess my OCD levels are not that high (yet?).
And I say all of this as someone who dislikes the glass design, and especially hates the small, slowly fading in volume/brightness indicators in the corner replacing the mid screen beautiful instant indicator.