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Workers report watching Ray-Ban Meta-shot footage of people using the bathroom

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Re: Workers report watching Ray-Ban Meta-shot footage of people using the bathroom

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Post by simmerup »

pseudocomposer wrote: post #16
simmerup wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now realise the same is true for your robot vacuum, car camera, doorbell camera, etc etc We consumers have no protection against big tech

We definitely don’t have any hard boundaries baked into this tech preventing big tech from (ab)using our data this way. But are there specific companies you think are doing this? I think with Meta products, it’s been rather obvious for a long time. But I’ve had a Nest doorbell camera and thermostats for years, and first iRobot and now Roborock vacuums, and they don’t really seem so suspect.

Amazon literally just put out a superbowl ad of them using their (your?) front door cam feeds to find people.

They are all dipping into our data for their ends, Meta is just particularly sloppy/honest about it

Re: Workers report watching Ray-Ban Meta-shot footage of people using the bathroom

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Post by simmerup »

anonym29 wrote: post #35
simmerup wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now realise the same is true for your robot vacuum, car camera, doorbell camera, etc etc We consumers have no protection against big tech

>We consumers have no protection against big tech Stop buying it. You are not a robot that is forced to purchase a video doorbell or a robotic vacuum cleaner or a smart thermostat. You have free will. If you do not like a commercially available product, don't buy it, don't use it. It's that simple.

How about we just enforce minimum privacy standards on big tech instead?

Sure you can just not buy the thing.

But can’t stop the fact that your wall down the street is documented by Amazon and Google front door bells

There is no opt out of this surveillance if you live in modern society

Re: Workers report watching Ray-Ban Meta-shot footage of people using the bathroom

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Post by iso-logi »

Xiol wrote: post #41
expedition32 wrote: post #36

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Great if I wear sunglasses at the public pool people think I'm a nonce filming kids.

Sunglasses, no. Meta RayBans, deservedly.

The problem is, they are becoming normalized very very quickly.

Take a walk down whatever area has the best night life near you and you will see tons of people wearing meta glasses. It's so common.

Re: Workers report watching Ray-Ban Meta-shot footage of people using the bathroom

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Post by autoexec »

munk-a wrote: post #42
jasonlotito wrote: post #38

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I think it's a reasonable ask that when buying a product, it has reasonable levels of safety, security, and privacy. Especially with products that might change over time because of software updates. Yes, there are ToS, but it's fine for us as a society to say that consumers deserve more protection against big tech so we aren't a TOS update away from having everything shared or be used for something that wasn't promot…

There's compelling reasons for all sorts of home devices to be connected to the internet[1] but the rub is that ToS flexibility and software updates make this a backdoor waiting to happen. I feel like our legal system has significantly failed us by not empowering the consume to say "I accept your device with a wifi antenna for the purposes of updating and I reject any exfiltration of personal data from it to your ser…

> I feel like our legal system has significantly failed us by not empowering the consume to say "I accept your device with a wifi antenna for the purposes of updating and I reject any exfiltration of personal data from it to your servers".

Worse it's allowed for them to remote into your device and disable features that you bought the device to use, by paywalling them off behind a subscription service that didn't exist when you brought the product home or just them entirely. To me that's no different than theft. It doesn't matter if it's amazon logging into you kindle overnight and removing books you already paid for from your virtual bookshelf, or Sony pushing an update to remove the option to use linux on your PS3, or BMW deciding that you should have to pay them every month just to use the heated seats option you already paid for when you bought your car.

If I, as an individual, sold you something than broke into your house to steal it or break it or demand ransom to get parts back that would be a crime, but companies get away with it somehow. What Google, Facebook, and Amazon do are basically just stalking.

Re: Workers report watching Ray-Ban Meta-shot footage of people using the bathroom

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Post by scubadude »

simmerup wrote: post #10
autoexec wrote: post #9

"using the bathroom" will be the least of what they're watching people do. Anyone wearing these glasses (or similar) should know that all of the audio/video picked up by the glasses will be watched and analyzed by others, likely by AI as well. Just like the entire point of facebook is to spy on people and profit from that data, the entire point of these devices is to spy on people in ways that the facebook app doesn'…

And now realise the same is true for your robot vacuum, car camera, doorbell camera, etc etc We consumers have no protection against big tech

Don't buy the shit. You don't need a smart doorbell or robot vacuum at a minimum.

Re: Workers report watching Ray-Ban Meta-shot footage of people using the bathroom

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Post by Bender »

Similar to Pokemon Go big tech can get footage in places not visible from the road. At work in the restroom should be a notification to HR and lawsuits. In some states this would be jail time [1].

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sVTm608LBg [video][50m]

Re: Workers report watching Ray-Ban Meta-shot footage of people using the bathroom

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Post by whilenot-dev »

simmerup wrote: post #50
Semaphor wrote: post #15

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Sure you do. All of those are available in local versions without Internet. You just need to care enough, be able to afford them (while my vacuum has no camera, it requires the cloud, but it was significantly cheaper than a local or hackable one), and have the ability to self host something like home assistant.

How about we just enforce minimum privacy standards on big tech instead? Sure you can root all your own hardware but you can’t stop the fact that your walk down the street is documented by Amazon and Google front door bells There is no opt out of this surveillance if you live in modern society

> if you live in modern society

Quite an if you got there... pointing security or doorbell cameras to public spaces isn't legal where I live.

Re: Workers report watching Ray-Ban Meta-shot footage of people using the bathroom

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Post by h4kunamata »

Deserved.

We have been telling people to stay away from big USA tech companies and what they do??

Buy a smart glass from said company!!

No symphaty, and knowing how the system works, these videos will never be deleted and will move from one hanf to another, until somebody leaks them online or request money.

People never learn!!!

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