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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by ece »

Cpoll wrote: post #51
rolandog wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will be able to do banking at least once the legislators tear down the walled gardens in a sensible way. Are the security benefits from the Appstore/Playstore real or security theatre? I'm pretty sure that, if there are security benefits, they have been artificially tied to the use of the company's distribution method, that coincidentally really needs to be sending usage statistics, monitoring, etc. Surely there…

Would you bet your company on that happening soon? :)

A similar question could be asked of the banks too.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by badgersnake »

poisonborz wrote: post #9

Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

I got burned with the tablet too. Still have the phone and the first one t-shirt that went with it, as well as a Nokia N9.

And I agree, it’s turned into a bandwagon grift. They’re also selling AI boxes that do who knows what.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by gbrindisi »

rolandog wrote: post #47
nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

They will be able to do banking at least once the legislators tear down the walled gardens in a sensible way. Are the security benefits from the Appstore/Playstore real or security theatre? I'm pretty sure that, if there are security benefits, they have been artificially tied to the use of the company's distribution method, that coincidentally really needs to be sending usage statistics, monitoring, etc. Surely there…

fifteen years ago I use to do mobile pentests for banks and when we could not find anything significant for the reports we could’ve always count on “lack of rooting detection” and pin the risk on some vague mobile banking malware threat pushed by marketing. I am sorry I contributed to this nonsense.

100% security theater, and here we are.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by teddyh »

curt15 wrote: post #69
fsflover wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Librem 5 already exists: https://puri.sm/posts/my-first-year-of-librem-5-convergence/

How can a review of a smartphone not comment on how well it works as a phone? Calling, texting, and battery life are table stakes for a mobile phone, and the last time I heard about this device it was still struggling with those basics.

I think your information is very out of date.

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Post by walterbell »

joecool1029 wrote: post #30

Americans/Canadians (and I guess Asians since they won't ship there) don't waste your time reading this, they have a Mediatek SoC and made the choice long ago to not touch these markets. The devices will not carry the band support needed for these markets. Europeans, I guess good luck, have fun. I followed them in the early days and ran early builds of Sailfish on the N9, had high hopes but have long given up on them…

> The devices will not carry the band support needed for these [non-EU] markets.

Would they have zero radio coverage, or sub-optimal coverage?

Could be a feature for those wanting a Wi-Fi only mobile Linux device.

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Post by written-beyond »

Man I really loved MeeGo, I was in my early teens when I got the N9 specifically because it was such a beautiful experiment from Nokia. Amoled display, MeeGo os and the polycarbonate shell. The phone was hot garbage technically, would over heat had 0 apps and had idle battery times worse than a cup of tea left out on a cold day. However the phone was such a work of art I could accept just about any flaw.

Right after that I got a Blackberry Z10 and there's just something about the multitasking UI in both of these OSs' that just felt like it was the right way of doing it.

Blackberry OS 10 and MeeGo where so wonderful, I truly had a rich experience of mobile phone OSs' growing up.

I'm not sure about Jolla as much though. Like I enjoy having this additional option but I wished they digged deeper into features other than enhanced privacy. Not that I'm complaining, I enjoy having enhanced privacy but if they added more productivity features like the Blackberry Hub.

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Post by jeroenhd »

lukeasch21 wrote: post #41
poulpy123 wrote: post #37

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Afaik there is an android compatibility layer but I don't know if it allows banking apps to works

It would not in principle, those rely on hardware backed keys with Google's latest iteration of Google Play Integrity. The only success people have had is by using leaked vendor keys and spoofing device fingerprints for old A11-era devices which did not have the hardware baked in. In time even this avenue will no longer work. People have been trying to get around it for a while [1] but afaik the concept is cryptograp…

My banking app works fine on a rooted phone that I don't bother faking a proper Play Integrity signature for. Except for a warning about the phone being rooted when setting it up, of course. I'm not 100% sure what happens when you have integrity and lose it by rooting your phone, but I imagine the bank app will log you out.

Bank apps only stop working because banks decided they know better than you.

Unfortunately my bank also switched to Google Pay which does require Play Integrity, so contactless payments are out of the question on that phone now. Maybe if Wero compatible terminals extend support for QR payments I could use my bank app again on that phone.

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Post by nottorp »

fsflover wrote: post #61
nottorp wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or worse. My bank closed down their old online banking site and the new one needs the phone for 2FA... but ... drumroll ... ... the idiots also want me to keep using the token device to log in before approving the log in via my phone. Security theater.

So switch the bank? Worked for me.

I'm doing the research ofc. Have other things to look for besides not being dependent on a phone so it will take a bit.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by carlosjobim »

nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

You are allowed to have more than one cell phone.
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