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So much hate in this thread for one of men who laid the foundations of Computer Science. We may disagree with his ideas now, and possibly his theories are out of date, but the magnitude of his contribution to linguistics, and by extension, neurology, psychology, and computer science, puts him in the very highest rank of scientists.
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Being cited doesn't mean he has something specific to say about those fields. He's an influential scientist so people may cite him when they found something vaguely related to his theories, to make their findings seem more important.
Ironically, here you are decrying a statistical model of impact factor and yearning for a higher level model of meaning in research.
Noam Chomsky may very well be a real life link farm or content stuffer. Hence why the impact/importance of the papers that link to him are important.
The field is now called AGI. It isn't mentioned in this article. Everyone seems to be ignoring the whole field of AGI (artificial general intelligence). Or maybe they truly are ignorant of it. Anyway, suffice to say, AI and AGI didn't stop progressing, and Chomsky is no longer any sort of expert in those fields. Even Norvig isn't up to speed on the most advanced approaches to AGI, but at least he enters the same room…
My fundamental aversion to both OpenCog and the entire Singularity crowd is a) their statements are so general as to the point of being useless and b) they don't do anything. Google makes search simple - go to google.com and find out. Google makes cars drive themselves - ask Nevada/California and if you're a member of the press - request a test drive today. IBM's Watson definitively beat world champions in front of everyone and before that they did it with Blue Gene.
Everyone in the other communities fall under this category: All talk - no walk.
The entirety of what I've gotten out of both groups is essentially little more than what religious people get out of going to a sermon at a church. The future will be grand, lots of bullshitty buzz words, lots of hand waving with huge claims - no hard calculations, no hard examples of what they've actually achieved.
I'll stick with Norvig/Google and his/their demonstrated achievements and knowledge over the talk, hype and vaporware projects of groups that have yet to show any hard progress apart from a bunch of lectures to rich people with a lot of vague words.
The SENS movement gives me the exact same feeling.
All talk - no walk.
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Could you please stop doing that! If you don't know anything don't say anything. If you know that it truly isn't AGI (as you may do) say why!
AI has forever been filled with buzzwords and trendy absurdity. Most of this lies on the soft computing end of the field, where self-styled visionaries hold forth with holistic mumbo-jumbo while valuable work is done by reputable researchers elsewhere. AGI is one of those little goofy microtrends: so far as I can tell it's essentially a rebranding of Strong AI by soft computing reactionaries responding to AI getting…
I think it's fundamentally the difference between soft bullshit and hard calculations. Everyone can talk about AI, or linguistics, or statistics (or any complex field) in very general, undefined and bullshitty terms.
But what we need, and what the machine learning guys are bringing is hard calculation - 1 + 1 = 2 or input data, get features and make decisions well above human abilities.
My question to all the fringe folks: Where's the beef? What have they done? Where are the automatic cars built on Chomsky's theories? Where are the talking robots from the AGI? What methods have the SENS people got? Are the singularity folks just leeches off gullible rich people - selling them a future and taking their cash in the process without providing any real value?
The field is now called AGI. It isn't mentioned in this article. Everyone seems to be ignoring the whole field of AGI (artificial general intelligence). Or maybe they truly are ignorant of it. Anyway, suffice to say, AI and AGI didn't stop progressing, and Chomsky is no longer any sort of expert in those fields. Even Norvig isn't up to speed on the most advanced approaches to AGI, but at least he enters the same room…
I've heard of OpenCog before and it, along with the Singularity crowd gives me a weird amateur, bullshitty, vague, generalist feeling that Noam Chomsky does. Basically - where's the beef? What has been done by either crowd apart from taking credit from those who do things in the actual industry/real world? My fundamental aversion to both OpenCog and the entire Singularity crowd is a) their statements are so general a…
Not all of those projects I listed identify themselves as AGI. However, they should go in the same group.
And anyway, all of those projects have demonstrated progress. If you looked into them at all then you would see that. Ben Goertzel is using some aspects of his AGI research in mainstream (narrow) AI projects. OpenCog has released a number of solid demonstrations of current features. And Goertzel isn't hand-waving or bullshitting in his numerous books and scientific papers, for example Probabilistic Logic Networks: A Comprehensive Framework for Uncertain Inference (336 pages).
Hawkins has demonstrated very interesting progress with his software and has a commercial application https://www.numenta.com/grok_info.html
Voss is using his system at Adaptive AI as a commercial enterprise.
Qualcomm is funding Brain Corporation (Izhikevich et al) so obviously they are taking it seriously. A bakery in Tokyo has tested Brain Corporation's machine vision technology to power a semi-automated cashier system
The field is now called AGI. It isn't mentioned in this article. Everyone seems to be ignoring the whole field of AGI (artificial general intelligence). Or maybe they truly are ignorant of it. Anyway, suffice to say, AI and AGI didn't stop progressing, and Chomsky is no longer any sort of expert in those fields. Even Norvig isn't up to speed on the most advanced approaches to AGI, but at least he enters the same room…
> The field is now called AGI. No it's not.
The field is now called AGI. It isn't mentioned in this article. Everyone seems to be ignoring the whole field of AGI (artificial general intelligence). Or maybe they truly are ignorant of it. Anyway, suffice to say, AI and AGI didn't stop progressing, and Chomsky is no longer any sort of expert in those fields. Even Norvig isn't up to speed on the most advanced approaches to AGI, but at least he enters the same room…
The field is now called AGI. It isn't mentioned in this article. Everyone seems to be ignoring the whole field of AGI (artificial general intelligence). Or maybe they truly are ignorant of it. Anyway, suffice to say, AI and AGI didn't stop progressing, and Chomsky is no longer any sort of expert in those fields. Even Norvig isn't up to speed on the most advanced approaches to AGI, but at least he enters the same room…
I've heard of OpenCog before and it, along with the Singularity crowd gives me a weird amateur, bullshitty, vague, generalist feeling that Noam Chomsky does. Basically - where's the beef? What has been done by either crowd apart from taking credit from those who do things in the actual industry/real world? My fundamental aversion to both OpenCog and the entire Singularity crowd is a) their statements are so general a…
Chomsky is right up there with Minsky in being part of the problem. His ideas about language being part of the genome are fanciful nonsense. Skinner produce reams of reproducible empirical observations of behavior which are, today, critical to the evaluation of the performance of AIs. Chomsky has produced interesting theories, but mostly derailed linguistics on the basis of the argument 'language is complicated, some…
I hope you're kidding about his contributions to political debate. Chomsky has the maximalist attitude that represents everything that is wrong with political debate today. His hatred of U.S. foreign policy is so extreme that he will defend absolutely everyone the U.S. opposes which means occasionally defending tyrants and denying genocide.
The field is now called AGI. It isn't mentioned in this article. Everyone seems to be ignoring the whole field of AGI (artificial general intelligence). Or maybe they truly are ignorant of it. Anyway, suffice to say, AI and AGI didn't stop progressing, and Chomsky is no longer any sort of expert in those fields. Even Norvig isn't up to speed on the most advanced approaches to AGI, but at least he enters the same room…
you sir, are awesome for providing such a thought provoking and detailed explanation .. with references!