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Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by _cenw »

ryandrake wrote: post #79
_cenw wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not even as close to as smart of a gotcha as you think it is.

Everyone is dunking on this, but nobody is really answering why offering a filter based on race (or religion, for that matter) isn't OK, but filtering on gender is OK.

It's not primarily discrimination, though if you want to describe it as a side-effect, sure. We live in an imperfect world. Sexual assault is horrifyingly common and even normalized in banter in our culture.

Whereas "black crime" is generally not based on reliable statistics because of overpolicing and luring you into a car is not exactly the MO there either.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by john_strinlai »

dchftcs wrote: post #89
RajT88 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world we live in is one where women being assaulted is an order of magnitude larger problem than women falsely accusing someone of assault.

You need to develop some empathy and learn that false accusations can destroy lives and families. You have no right to force someone accept even a 1% chance that something like that happens, even if it's less prevalent than assaults.

they didnt say false accusations dont happen, or that they arent harmful, or that anyone should be forced to do anything.

you read what you wanted to read, instead of what was actually written

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by ryandrake »

allreduce wrote: post #77
irl_zebra wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This incident is creepy enough that I would also not agree to a give a random stranger a ride home, absent any additional context or mitigations. Maybe to avoid waking up in an ice bath with my liver gone. But, to not give a ride because of some perceived idea that they would claim you assaulted them or something is a bit "this person should go touch some grass" or whatever.

I've got to ask. Is this kind of violent crime common or perceived as common in the US? If a stranger asked me for a ride home here my first thought wouldn't be that they want to attack me.

I think, due to a lot of reasons including skewed media reporting, a lot of uncommon things are perceived as common in the US, and vice versa.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by Dylan16807 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #61

Absolutely wild that none of the dissenting comments suggest a means of lowering or eliminating sexual harassment of women passengers. Why not start there? Get creative.

Do you have any compelling ideas on how to do that? I don't think it's 'wild' that people criticizing a company action aren't starting their comments with "here's how I'd fix society".

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by brookst »

wosined wrote: post #58
glouwbug wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Women's only gyms and hours exist already. If there's a need, and they feel safer this way, let them have it

Why does the same argument never work in reverse? When men want something for themselves then the same people say that that would be sexist.

Considering that 90% of sexual abuse in Uber’s safety report was committed by men, it seems disingenuous to frame this as some unreasonably discriminatory “oh they just want to have their own space”.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by brookst »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #61

Absolutely wild that none of the dissenting comments suggest a means of lowering or eliminating sexual harassment of women passengers. Why not start there? Get creative.

So when you read Uber’s annual safety reports you didn’t see anything in this vein, either as actions taken or changes in statistics?

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by paxys »

lordfrito wrote: post #100

Sex is a protected class under Title VII of the civil rights act. And the supreme court recently said that even majority classes (men) are protected by this. Since Uber involved in the decision to send more business to female drivers than male drivers, this would seem to me to run afoul of employment discrimination (sorry we don't need as many men workers today, too many of you competing so market forces mean we're g…

Is it illegal to set a filter for a female gynecologist over a male one? Or a male gym trainer over a female one? Or a massage service, hostel, sports team? Is it illegal to set a gender preference on a dating app? Is it illegal to issue a casting call for a female actor or model?

This kind of "discrimination" is a part of society, and has been tested in courts plenty of times.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by brookst »

jlawson wrote: post #45
maest wrote: post #2

Does this mean women drivers will command higher rates?

It'd be hilarious if women formed their own closed rideshare economy; they'd discover that they demand much higher prices from each other than they get from men.

It would be funny if the market showed women were willing to pay a premium to avoid being raped?
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