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Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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The real problem is that this is necessary. This same thing that keeps on happening when we try to reinvent things "without all that stuff that just adds friction." As with software, one should understand the underlying reasons for constraints in the old system before building the second one. Banking -> crypto and NFT "without all that stuff..." -> wash trading. Taxi service -> Uber "without all that employer stuff..…

Certainly that's an issue, but at least as bad is when things get over-regulated and nobody's willing to re-assess.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

#82

The real problem is that this is necessary. This same thing that keeps on happening when we try to reinvent things "without all that stuff that just adds friction." As with software, one should understand the underlying reasons for constraints in the old system before building the second one. Banking -> crypto and NFT "without all that stuff..." -> wash trading. Taxi service -> Uber "without all that employer stuff..…

It happens with taxi drivers too. I know women friends/family that don't like going in taxis because of the unnecessary flirting and harassment where with Uber it's easier to report and check by the driver's rating.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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That might be tough - I remember having plenty of women drivers back in 2012 when uber and Lyft just got started. These days they’re extremely rare.

This might be mitigated somewhat by offering female drivers a similar options to limit themselves to female passengers. It would ovviously only work whwre demand is actually high enough.

Isn't that what's described in the article as well?

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they feel safer this way, What if somebody started a Whites-only gym because it made them feel safer?

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Typically? I mean sure, those spaces exist, but the typical "leftist space" is usually still drenched in rape culture, maybe with some pretense of not being so (ending up as a bad experience for everyone except the self-important people running it).

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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What is your justification for that? If an employer did the same thing, would you argue that's also not discriminatory? Or, to pick a notorious example, if a cake shop only agreed to sell to straight couples, would that be the same? If not, why not?

My libertarian view on discrimination (independent of the Civil Rights Act) is this: If a service is not widely available in the region, any systematic discrimination leading to refusing to provide service, or specific level of service or care, based on anything unrelated to the ability to provide it, should be illegal, locally, in that community. Rules like ousting disruptive customers apply across the board. If a s…

Yes, I think the argument that "discrimination is fine so long as it doesn't result in complete shutout of a vendor/customer" is reasonable. But that argument didn't fly for the cake controversy case, so society doesn't seem to agree.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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This incident is creepy enough that I would also not agree to a give a random stranger a ride home, absent any additional context or mitigations. Maybe to avoid waking up in an ice bath with my liver gone. But, to not give a ride because of some perceived idea that they would claim you assaulted them or something is a bit "this person should go touch some grass" or whatever.

The world we live in is one where women being assaulted is an order of magnitude larger problem than women falsely accusing someone of assault.

You need to develop some empathy and learn that false accusations can destroy lives and families. You have no right to force someone accept even a 1% chance that something like that happens, even if it's less prevalent than assaults.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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"As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race, I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place. Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall, And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all."

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