So many years and they can't(or refuse to?) ship to Asia, ridiculous.
Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but I don't think it should come from this company. Could*, maybe than should , unless you believe that all those things will apply to the phone they plan to release in September. Otherwise I don't see the issue with a company keep trying until they get something right (or give up). Why not?
True, but I also wanted to signify that I find any user trust (eg as a result of this new marketing campaign) is misplaced and steals air from a better alternative.
Which is?
Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
#23I really wish them success, but I just can't see it anymore. I had the first version and it seems it didn't move much forward from that time. And there were also many screwups, as poisonborz reminded a bit earlier.
Their UI looked novel, but wasn't that great in practice. It wasn't stable (hopefully that changed) and the lack of real apps was killing it before and now even more, as more banks/govs require some "trusted" apps
Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. Also, the second I found out that their entire UI stack is proprietary I lost all interest in that platform.
Don't the security hardware features of the GrapheneOS phones also rely on proprietary software/firmware?
To my knowledge you have some proprietary firmware blobs, drivers, HAL and the Trusted Execution Environment shipping with GrapheneOS. But replacing Pixel's stock Android with GrapheneOS doesn't expose you to more proprietary components but instead reduces it (by sandboxing Google Play Services for example) and improves upon Android security overall (memory allocation, etc).
So yeah, GrapheneOS isn't 100% OSS, as far as I'm aware. But it doesn't expose me to more proprietary stuff like Jolla would.
Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
#25They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…
This is part of the (spiritual) lineage of Meego/Maemo, it's much older than GrapheneOS and the latter is older than Android itself
Anyway, it's as secure as any Linux distro as it uses the same standard stack as servers and desktops and does sandboxing[1], which is also really nice from a development perspective. You can harden it like you would a Linux box using standard Linux tools + kernel features.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS#Software_architect...
Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
#26Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…
> Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project
Realistically building a production quality database takes 10 years. Building a production quality game engine takes 10 years.
They're building a mobile operating system and the hardware it runs on; that's harder and a moving target.
How long do you think it takes to build a supply chain of hardware that doesn't suck (if it takes 2 years to get moving: you need to start with hardware specs for 2 years from now) and an operating system that doesn't suck when you're also trying to catch up to a major duopoly cranking out devices at an unfathomable volume, with more money than most nation states?
Your standard is "succeed against Google and Apple within 13 years on a shoestring budget with no volume discounts." How can any project clear that bar?
What would you do?
Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
#27They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…
They cannot, because for some reason GrapheneOS is shitting on them https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2029651838975328512
Seems fair given that it was in response to a tweet referring to the phone as "ULTRA secure!"
Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
They cannot, because for some reason GrapheneOS is shitting on them https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2029651838975328512
Graphene OS really like to shit on competing projects, it seems. Maybe they're right, but it seems a bit obsessive. /e/OS: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1946269698498105813 iodéOS: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1892555359656534284 CalyxOS: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1953856218931376421 Unplugged: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1861593971685798351 PinePhone: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/196444193076040949…
More projects:
Kicksecure: https://forums.kicksecure.com/t/grapheneos-attacks-kicksecur...
Purism Librem 5 and Pinephone: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47260196
Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
#29They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…
They cannot, because for some reason GrapheneOS is shitting on them https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2029651838975328512
Is there anything inaccurate in that post by the Graphene devs however?
Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery
#30Americans/Canadians (and I guess Asians since they won't ship there) don't waste your time reading this, they have a Mediatek SoC and made the choice long ago to not touch these markets. The devices will not carry the band support needed for these markets.
Europeans, I guess good luck, have fun. I followed them in the early days and ran early builds of Sailfish on the N9, had high hopes but have long given up on them.
EDIT: I will say though I'm still impressed by the libhybris project which went on to make it possible to run linux distros on android SoC's, but the guy who did that for Jolla I think is not with the company anymore for some time.