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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by distances »

drnick1 wrote: post #7

They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…

They didn't start from scratch, the first Jolla phone was released in 2013. The Sailfish OS continues the Maemo/MeeGo lineage that Nokia abandoned.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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poisonborz wrote: post #9

Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

> but I don't think it should come from this company.

Could*, maybe than should, unless you believe that all those things will apply to the phone they plan to release in September. Otherwise I don't see the issue with a company keep trying until they get something right (or give up). Why not?

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by mpol »

drnick1 wrote: post #7

They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…

Did GrapheneOS even exist in 2012? There is history at play here, they are still building forward from the Nokia Linux phones.

Also, what's up with all the sour grapes from people who use or develop GrapheneOS? There seems to be a general force dismissing Sailfish as insecure, without ever explaning how. Can't we just be friends in a de-googled world? Are people from Graphene feeling insecure about Sailfish as competition? It feels to me like infighting in small churches. It turns me off from ever considering GrapheneOS before I even looked into it.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by toast0 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #6
shmerl wrote: post #5

What network connectivity does it have for US?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but they're aiming to serve the EU and UK (and Norway and Switzerland) markets only. Although, with that said, the page for the September 2026 phone says this ( https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26 ): > LTE FDD: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28AB, 66 > LTE TDD: 34, 38, 39, 40, 41 > 5G NR: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n26, n28, n38, n40, n41,…

> But I have no idea if that means it'll work for you in the US/elsewhere.

Yeah, that's a fun part of the crazy bandplan for lte/5g where it's just a little here and there without global coordination.

But a look here [1], says it has all 5G bands for AT&T, 2/4 bands for TMo, and 4/5 for Verizon. Seems maybe a bit iffy for TMo, one of the missing bands is n71 (600 MHz) which is extended range that helps fill in coverage.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_5G_NR_networks

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by NicuCalcea »

drnick1 wrote: post #7

They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…

Their entire raison d'être is to make Sailfish OS (non-Android Linux) phones. I'm happy they're doing it. Graphene OS is great but it's just another Android ROM and still dependent on Google.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by miohtama »

drnick1 wrote: post #7

They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…

They cannot, because for some reason GrapheneOS is shitting on them

https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2029651838975328512

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by fsflover »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #8
drnick1 wrote: post #7

They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…

Agreed. Also, the second I found out that their entire UI stack is proprietary I lost all interest in that platform.

Don't the security hardware features of the GrapheneOS phones also rely on proprietary software/firmware?

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by poisonborz »

embedding-shape wrote: post #12
poisonborz wrote: post #9

Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

> but I don't think it should come from this company. Could*, maybe than should , unless you believe that all those things will apply to the phone they plan to release in September. Otherwise I don't see the issue with a company keep trying until they get something right (or give up). Why not?

True, but I also wanted to signify that I find any user trust (eg as a result of this new marketing campaign) is misplaced and steals air from a better alternative.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by tpoacher »

poisonborz wrote: post #9

Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

on one hand you're not wrong

on the other, I really, really loved my original jolla phone back in the day. I happily used it as my daily driver and only phone for 2 years. Until it had a hardware fault which I could no longer repair via the company.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by NicuCalcea »

miohtama wrote: post #16
drnick1 wrote: post #7

They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…

They cannot, because for some reason GrapheneOS is shitting on them https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2029651838975328512

Graphene OS really like to shit on competing projects, it seems. Maybe they're right, but it seems a bit obsessive.

/e/OS: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1946269698498105813

iodéOS: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1892555359656534284

CalyxOS: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1953856218931376421

Unplugged: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1861593971685798351

PinePhone: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1964441930760409499

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