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Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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Re: Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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Its actually football coaches at big universities that make all the money. Median salary is over a million dollars last I saw. The academic salaries are much more reasonable. Mostly in the 100-200K range for upper level profs and administrators.

If you want to win at football, you most definitely need a good football coach, and the markets for pro football coaches and college football coaches are hardly separate. So you have to pay college football coaches somewhere in the ballpark of pro football coaches. What has never been properly explained to me is the utility of winning football teams to universities. I really would like to hear about that.

If you want to win at football, you most definitely need a good football coach, and the markets for pro football coaches and college football coaches are hardly separate. So you have to pay college football coaches somewhere in the ballpark of pro football coaches.

If you want to be successful in business, you most definitely need a good CEO...etc.

Re: Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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> co-op maintenance fee of $8,000 a month seriously, how on earth can co-op maintenance for apartment amount to 8k a month unless you are building it from scratch?

For one thing, taxes are high in New York City, which makes everything expensive. The "maintenance fees" can include more than what might normally be considered "maintenance": salaries for doormen and superintendants, utilities, building mortgage, and real-estate taxes. http://www.wallfly.com/review/manhattan_ny/faqs/faqs_co-ops....

ah yes, I forgot about property taxes. We don't have them here where I live, taxation is mostly through income and consumption taxes. Property taxation always seemed stupid and somewhat evil to me. What if you happen to lost your income source for awhile or something along that line? You would loose your property you own because you cannot pay legal racketeering on something that is yours.

Re: Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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I really like it. What would be a reward to most of us is a bitter punishment to them. They've created a life as artificial as their balance sheets and then bid it up to an absurd level.

This is a perfect punishment for the epic fail they have foisted on the world. Make them live like the merely rich. The sardonic nature of it all makes me damn near gleeful.

Re: Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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Columbia and NYU grad students make about 25K/year.

...and live like shit! I should know, I'm a grad student just across the river, and I work a second job and live in Harlem just to make ends meet.

Anyone who hasn't lived in NYC will have a hard time understanding. Living in the city definitely has its perks, and even having to work the second job, I wouldn't trade it for the world...

...that said, I don't have a PS3, or an Xbox, or a Wii, or a Plasma/LCD, or a stereo, or a car less than 7 years old, or more than 7 changes of clothes, and I only just got cable last year. Life in the city is about trade-offs.

If you're coming from the suburbs, and expect the same sort of lifestyle in the city, don't take a job that pays less than $80k/yr!

Re: Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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For one thing, taxes are high in New York City, which makes everything expensive. The "maintenance fees" can include more than what might normally be considered "maintenance": salaries for doormen and superintendants, utilities, building mortgage, and real-estate taxes. http://www.wallfly.com/review/manhattan_ny/faqs/faqs_co-ops....

ah yes, I forgot about property taxes. We don't have them here where I live, taxation is mostly through income and consumption taxes. Property taxation always seemed stupid and somewhat evil to me. What if you happen to lost your income source for awhile or something along that line? You would loose your property you own because you cannot pay legal racketeering on something that is yours.

Property taxation always seemed stupid and somewhat evil to me.

Given a choice of income-, consumption-, or property- taxation, it seems to me that property-taxation would provide the least perverse incentive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive Consumption taxation perversely punishes consumption, and income taxation perversely punishes productivity. The economic effect of either of those, therefore, is harmful. Property taxation, on the other hand, is simply rent on property that is also latently owned by various layers of government. If one wishes to pay less rent to the government, one is free to move to a less-desirable (e.g. smaller; less-conveniently located) property.

What if you happen to lost your income [...] You would loose your property

One could sell, and move to a less-expensive property. Then, the original property would be available to one who is more-productive. The economy, therefore, gains when low-productivity individuals sell expensive properties.

legal racketeering on something that is yours.

Actually, nothing within a governmental jurisdiction can be outright privately owned. Therefore, said property cannot be said to be outright "yours". A government always retains ultimate ownership of properties "privately owned" within its jurisdiction. If one wants to truly own his own property outright, he either needs to found it from scratch (and provide for all of the maintenance and defense needs), or buy it from some existing government. Buying a condo in Manhattan is usually not the same thing as buying it from its true latent owners: the borough of Manhattan, the city of New York, the state of New York, the nation of the United States of America, the North American Free Trade Agreement, and the United Nations.

Re: Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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Amen. Every time I hear the "waily waily waily you can't live for less than $90k in California" I think "for God's sake you've interacted with several people today who are doing it -- think back to the last ten times you physically handed money to anyone, they're not making $90k". This problem is not unique to California or Manhattan. I get the same from people who choose to live in Nagoya apartments which cost about…

I lived on $50k/year in SF with no problem. Do people really complain about making less than $90k?

to be honest, i think minimum "comfortable" wage in SF is about 200k. i make in the 6figs (as most senior engineers around here), and why I live comfortably as bachelor, I still don't think I make enough for me to afford having a family in SF.

I rent and have a roomate, cook often at home (drink lot of coffee though), but still, when you substract taxes, 401k, medical stuff for the parents, when you add everything up the savings are about 2k a month at best.

Think about it, 24k a year, where the cheapest comfortable place to live go for about 700k+. If you are conservative, and want to put 20% down, (that's about 140k) of savings you need in the bank.

To live in SF, you will have to have at least 200k, as a family to live comfortably. About 100k if you are a bachelor.

Sure you can live with a lot less, but you are probably not saving much for your future.

Re: Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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I lived on $50k/year in SF with no problem. Do people really complain about making less than $90k?

to be honest, i think minimum "comfortable" wage in SF is about 200k. i make in the 6figs (as most senior engineers around here), and why I live comfortably as bachelor, I still don't think I make enough for me to afford having a family in SF. I rent and have a roomate, cook often at home (drink lot of coffee though), but still, when you substract taxes, 401k, medical stuff for the parents, when you add everything up…

It seems to me that the problem isn't so much that you're "not saving much for your future" as you're "not saving enough to buy a comfortable house located in San Fransisco". Which might be indicative of a problem in one's expectations more than indicative of the necessity to make six figures as a bachelor.

(Incidentally, in many other places, socking away $2k a month would be considered pretty damn good. The starting salary for an engineer in my neck of the woods is $2.2k a month. You look pretty darn rich compared to him, even considering his vastly lower cost of living.)

Re: Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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ah yes, I forgot about property taxes. We don't have them here where I live, taxation is mostly through income and consumption taxes. Property taxation always seemed stupid and somewhat evil to me. What if you happen to lost your income source for awhile or something along that line? You would loose your property you own because you cannot pay legal racketeering on something that is yours.

Property taxation always seemed stupid and somewhat evil to me. Given a choice of income-, consumption-, or property- taxation, it seems to me that property-taxation would provide the least perverse incentive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive Consumption taxation perversely punishes consumption, and income taxation perversely punishes productivity. The economic effect of either of those, therefore, is…

> One could sell, and move to a less-expensive property. Then, the original property would be available to one who is more-productive. The economy, therefore, gains when low-productivity individuals sell expensive properties.

that is the evil part I was refering to.

Re: Trying to Live on 500K in New York City

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to be honest, i think minimum "comfortable" wage in SF is about 200k. i make in the 6figs (as most senior engineers around here), and why I live comfortably as bachelor, I still don't think I make enough for me to afford having a family in SF. I rent and have a roomate, cook often at home (drink lot of coffee though), but still, when you substract taxes, 401k, medical stuff for the parents, when you add everything up…

It seems to me that the problem isn't so much that you're "not saving much for your future" as you're "not saving enough to buy a comfortable house located in San Fransisco". Which might be indicative of a problem in one's expectations more than indicative of the necessity to make six figures as a bachelor. (Incidentally, in many other places, socking away $2k a month would be considered pretty damn good. The startin…

You don't really need a $100K salary to be comfortable as a bachelor in SF, but it helps. Raising a family here is a mixed bag. It helps to have a lot of money because the school system sucks. You'll either need the extra $100K for private school or drug rehab if you send your kids to public school. I love SF but if I had kids I'd move somewhere else. Oh, and buying a house here is insane unless you're mega loaded or you buy and sell houses professionally.
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