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Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Irish man here - Over the last few years, we've graduated from providing cheap energy to now importing most of our energy. We've seen huge energy price increases as a result. We're seeing more and more cost-of-living protests, the war now means more will suffer with fuel prices and we're still going ahead with closing down energy suppliers (this is a 2025 article but the point still stands). To anyone praising these…

In this thread: the rich, unaffected class instruct the poor that their plight is in fact a fabrication. History really does repeat itself.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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> they know windpower and solar are not viable long term Why?

They know that sometimes it's not windy, and they know about night.

>They know that sometimes it's not windy, and they know about night.

they also know about batteries

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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A LNG terminal would help. Lots of bad infrastructure decisions have left us extremely exposed to those external shocks you mentioned.

An LNG terminal would not help for the current high prices. Europe is experiencing a gas price shock precisely because LNG is easy to store and transport. Asia gets half it's gas through the Strait of Hormuz, which is currently experiencing troubles. This means Asia is willing to pay a lot of premium for LNG, which in turn means that Europe has to match this premium otherwise LNG will go to Asia and not Europe. Being…

Europe was getting cheap gas from Russia. It makes a big difference, the US gas is much more expensive.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China >"China is the world's top electricity producer from renewable energy sources. China's renewable energy capacity is growing faster than its fossil fuels and nuclear power capacity.[1] China installed over 373 GW of renewables in 2024, reaching a total installed renewable capacity of 1,878 GW by the end of the year. The country aims to have 80% of its total energ…

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/coal-consumption-by-count... China is the world's top consumer of coal, and accounts for more than 50% of the world's total consumption of coal.

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Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China >"China is the world's top electricity producer from renewable energy sources. China's renewable energy capacity is growing faster than its fossil fuels and nuclear power capacity.[1] China installed over 373 GW of renewables in 2024, reaching a total installed renewable capacity of 1,878 GW by the end of the year. The country aims to have 80% of its total energ…

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/coal-consumption-by-count... China is the world's top consumer of coal, and accounts for more than 50% of the world's total consumption of coal.

People keep forgetting in all the China-posting that China is a country of 1.4 billion people, approximately 256 times the size of the Irish population, and therefore it's not really surprising when it tops a "top consumption" or "top production" list of any kind.

(second most populous after India)

Alternatively, if all Ireland was a city in China, it would not be in the list of top 50 cities by population.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Irish man here - Over the last few years, we've graduated from providing cheap energy to now importing most of our energy. We've seen huge energy price increases as a result. We're seeing more and more cost-of-living protests, the war now means more will suffer with fuel prices and we're still going ahead with closing down energy suppliers (this is a 2025 article but the point still stands). To anyone praising these…

Here in England we now drag the coal over on smoke spewing ships from Japan and Australia, rather than mine it here. The sum total of CO2 is higher than if we just mined it here. Net zero box ticking.

> Here in England we now drag the coal over on smoke spewing ships from Japan and Australia, rather than mine it here

Australia I see but Japan? Japan is the world's third largest coal importer. I don't think they are sending much coal to England.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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> Batteries are cheaper and faster to make in large quantities. Yes I agree but their extraction at scale is still very C02 Expensive. > No economy on the planet needs 24/7 peak power production. The times humans work correspond nicely with the times the sun is out. With Nuclear energy, let's face it. If you have a nuclear plant running, the input is just some uranium which we have plenty of. Thereotically we have no…

> You are also forgetting that Sun can be blocked during times of rains and Wind is unpredictable as well. We already have wires that cross continents to smooth out supply variations. It's exceedingly rare you get no sun and no wind over entire continents for an extended period. > You are forgetting that markets operate after work and the late night culture and so many other things. I'm not forgetting it, they just u…

> We already have wires that cross continents to smooth out supply variations. It's exceedingly rare you get no sun and no wind over entire continents for an extended period.

I can be wrong but you would probably lose tons of efficiency even within High Voltage DC lines if everyday late night we take energy from different countries. Also this is getting outside of topic of discussion for me because one of the reasons we want Nuclear or Green energy in general is also the environmental plus the sovereign plus the long term affordability plans.

Another point from your first comment but if we run peak production in nuclear say in a country A, then the country A can also give power to Country B at late night similar to what you are proposed for solars.

> Again, batteries.

Once again, within my first comment I raise issue of battery. You mention a comment and I respond and then we get to batteries again.

I have no problem with solar at all without batteries but batteries really flip the equation in terms of environmental concerns.

My question is plain and simple, Why not Nuclear? I understand, I am not against Solar. Although environmentally, I feel like battery is a valid concern.

I am just saying that long term, Nuclear seems to be the better/best option. Why not Nuclear? That is a question which it seems that you may not have answered and that's a discussion worth having as well In my opinion too.

We can agree on this, correct?

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Irish man here - Over the last few years, we've graduated from providing cheap energy to now importing most of our energy. We've seen huge energy price increases as a result. We're seeing more and more cost-of-living protests, the war now means more will suffer with fuel prices and we're still going ahead with closing down energy suppliers (this is a 2025 article but the point still stands). To anyone praising these…

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Ireland's population has still not exceeded its high point before the potato famine and the mass export of the population.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Irish man here - Over the last few years, we've graduated from providing cheap energy to now importing most of our energy. We've seen huge energy price increases as a result. We're seeing more and more cost-of-living protests, the war now means more will suffer with fuel prices and we're still going ahead with closing down energy suppliers (this is a 2025 article but the point still stands). To anyone praising these…

It's insanity to stop using country own resources and rely on unreliable tech and energy imports. As I browse the comments here I lament that most "above average IQ" folks still don't get this simple truth.

It's a marker of low IQ populism to believe things are simple and that the elite/technocracy/whatever is trying to hide that truth from us while making sure to never research why that might be so that they can keep on playing the blame game.

No if you allow to exit the simplistic low/high IQ paradigm you set up, I just can't take seriously comments like this who have not even started to try to show that they have any grip on the subject at all. Heck you haven't even tried to assess the quantity/availability of Ireland's "own resource". Do you seriously want Ireland to relay on peat ? How long would that last ?

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