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Re: Microscopes can see video on a laserdisc

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Fun fact about laser discs. They are analogue not digital. CD’s store digital information with the presence or absence of pits. Fairly ancient but still fundamentally feels like a very old version of a thumb drive. Laser discs are not digital. They encode the analogue video signal’s value as the length of the pit. It is digitized in the time domain - sampled at some frequency, but the “vertical” signal value is store…

Everything is analog when it gets to real world

Re: Microscopes can see video on a laserdisc

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, with digital, you need encoding. How can you even compare binary with embedded images.

> How can you even compare binary with embedded images. How are the images encoded?

In ways that ensure that they are not visually recognizable on the physical medium afterwards, because the visual layout represents a whole lot of redundancy, and the job of compression is to remove redundancy. If the end result has any recognizable patterns, the compression is not doing its job well.

Re: Microscopes can see video on a laserdisc

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I'm not that familiar with CED but the fact that we can see the images with microscopes is because these are analog discs? And that was because computing power back then was non-existent so they didn't use any kind of compression?

This is a distinction without meaning: all digital anything is analogue if you look closely enough > And that was because computing power back then was non-existent so they didn't use any kind of compression? Compression is not a medium-level detail. You can easily store compressed data on a laserdisc.

Your CED or laserdisc player needs to be smart enough to be able to decode whatever you put on it, which- in the era that they were relevant- pretty severely limited what you could do.

Re: Microscopes can see video on a laserdisc

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I'm not that familiar with CED but the fact that we can see the images with microscopes is because these are analog discs? And that was because computing power back then was non-existent so they didn't use any kind of compression?

Uncompressed digital encoding might still result in recognizable structures, but probably not as nicely as here.

Re: Microscopes can see video on a laserdisc

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I'm not that familiar with CED but the fact that we can see the images with microscopes is because these are analog discs? And that was because computing power back then was non-existent so they didn't use any kind of compression?

The key point is that there has to be a slow vertical panning happening as actual content. If that happens, then the on-disk representation of a color channel can end up physically below/above what happens before/after in the movie, drawing out the "actual content". This is why end credits were the most likely visible artifacts.

One other important aspect is that by changing the angle of lighting, he could basically filter out data at a relevant wavelength.

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At least that's what I got from the video.

Re: Microscopes can see video on a laserdisc

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post #44

I'm not that familiar with CED but the fact that we can see the images with microscopes is because these are analog discs? And that was because computing power back then was non-existent so they didn't use any kind of compression?

Uncompressed digital encoding might still result in recognizable structures, but probably not as nicely as here.

Only the CD had uncompressed data.

Re: Microscopes can see video on a laserdisc

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah i remember learning this as a kid and being surprised. i originally thought laserdiscs were modern high tech, but then they turned out to actually be from the late 70s/early 80s with the primitive analog video encoding where red book audio cds of the mid to late 80s were actually digital.

BUT... Pioneer put AC-3 (Dolby Digital) surround on LaserDiscs before DVDs came out. So LaserDiscs were the first video medium to offer digital sound at home. And at that point, most players sold were combo players that could also play CDs. And there was one more disc format: CD Video. It was a CD-sized digital single that also had a LaserDisc section for the (analog) music video. I have a couple; one is Bon Jovi.

Was CD video compressed? I thought it existed at the same time as DVD but cheaper.
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