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Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by smsm42 »

eta_carinae wrote: post #204
cageface wrote: post #62

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This episode is the childish and vindictive zenith of an amazing year of childish and vindictive behavior from Apple. Frankly I just don't get it. They make fantastic hardware and their software is usually at least good. Why do they have to lash out like a schoolyard bully at anybody that threatens to put the tiniest dent in their giant pile of cash money? Why can't they let their products sell and speak for themselv…

> Why can't they let their products sell and speak for themselves? Because of Android. The rise of Android is clearly showing that Apple products can no longer "speak for themselves" and Apple is feeling the pressure on all fronts, some that they used to have a 90% monopoly on (phones and 10' tablets) and some that they are joining late (7' tablets). I see the proactive litigation as a move to delay the inevitable (i…

What is strange here is that Apple seems to be perfectly able to compete on merits - take MacBooks. Granted, they aren't dominating the market like iPhone used to, but they have a sizable niche and when some years ago I didn't see any Macs around on conferences now almost everybody has MacBooks. But they don't seem to be that eager to sue everybody else on that market. The merits of the platform are enough for them to be successful. Why can't they do the same for the phone market?

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by Steko »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #197
eridius wrote: post #192

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I am continually amused at how much emphasis people like you put on spec lists. Most people in the world don't care about specs. They care about the actual experience of using the device.

Okay? Android's experience has been evolving from day one. iOS is basically the same experience except for major features like multitasking menu, notification menu, etc (and where did those come from). "Features" are a major part of the experience and was the more important part of my post. Your desire to focus on specs and attempt to dismiss my entire post goes to show the value of lumping "people like me" together…

"Android's experience has been evolving from day one."

Yep from a blackberry clone to an underperforming iphone clone with some +1 features to a near parity iphone clone with some +1 features.

"iOS is basically the same experience except for major features like multitasking menu, notification menu, etc (and where did those come from)."

This is funny because to me the biggest feature in Android 4.2 that you're so excited about is the AirPlay clone. Over the last few years iOS has fundamentally rebuilt phone calling (Facetime), texting (iMessage) and the primary interaction ux (Siri). Where on earth have you been? How on earth do you call it "basically the same experience" when I can now just order the phone to do tasks like Montgomery Scott in Star Trek IV: The One with Whales?

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by onetwothreefour »

michaelfeathers wrote: post #141
vidarh wrote: post #127

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The purpose of the notice was explicitly to counter some of the damage from Apple's very public claims that Samsung had clearly copied the iPad with their Samsung Galaxy Tab. Apple tried to damage Samsung by taking victory in advance. When they then lose, it is only natural they face consequences, otherwise they would have no incentive not to the same again. They chose to take the proposed wording, chop it into two p…

To me, the core problem is that the UK court is compelling speech. Maybe that is okay in the UK, but I don't think a court would be able to get away with that in the US. I think is okay to have Apple announce the court's judgement, but they should not be required to lead customers to believe that they agree with it.

What a US court thinks is irrelevant in the UK, and has zero bearing on the Apple UK site. Thank $DIETY the USPTO is confined to where it is.

If Apple doesn't want to comply with laws, they shouldn't operate in those countries.

That said, it was obvious they'd get chewed out for this from when they posted it (if you know anything about UK law). It's okay to be smug and they would have probably gotten away with everything except the very last paragraph.

The last paragraph was completely unnecessary, and now they're facing the consequences of their hubris.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

Steko wrote: post #232
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #197

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Okay? Android's experience has been evolving from day one. iOS is basically the same experience except for major features like multitasking menu, notification menu, etc (and where did those come from). "Features" are a major part of the experience and was the more important part of my post. Your desire to focus on specs and attempt to dismiss my entire post goes to show the value of lumping "people like me" together…

"Android's experience has been evolving from day one." Yep from a blackberry clone to an underperforming iphone clone with some +1 features to a near parity iphone clone with some +1 features. "iOS is basically the same experience except for major features like multitasking menu, notification menu, etc (and where did those come from)." This is funny because to me the biggest feature in Android 4.2 that you're so exci…

>the biggest feature in Android 4.2 that you're so excited about is the AirPlay clone.

what are you talking about? I'm very well aware of AirPlay and I'm not aware of a feature (introduced) in 4.2 that is even similar... I certainly have not mentioned any such feature today.

>when I can now just order the phone to do tasks like Montgomery Scott in Star Trek IV: The One with Whales?

Google Now has already leapfrogged it. I just got a card telling me there's traffic to meet up with my friend and a card reminding me my parts are arriving tomorrow in the mail.

I think you're dead wrong to characterize Android as being at "parity" with the iPhone, in fact that's absolutely down right absurd. Android can feature for feature match iOS and then go on for half a dozen more. Please let me know how that is inaccurate if you think it is.

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Post by derleth »

mung wrote: post #226
derleth wrote: post #125

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> And Apple added a lot to the original. Ah, sarcasm.

you should really take a look at what they "copied"

Let's see: Windows, Icons, Menu, Pointer. Which of those were Apple's invention?

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Post by czhiddy »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #229
czhiddy wrote: post #225

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Welcome to 2008? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynth

Which is again not consumer based hand-held 360 degree panoramas? And jesus, we're talking about the experience of having it a phone. How far do we have to stretch this to try to discount ONE feature added to 4.2? If we want to play this game, I remember my dad finding some trial-ware when I was a kid and we took a few photos and were able to stitch them, I had to have been in middle school. yikes, 8-10 years ago, an…

It's not? Have you even tried the app? I've been stitching together 360 degree panoramas with it since 2009ish.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by rehack »

bitcartel wrote: post #151
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #119

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I recently paid for £21 worth of groceries in 20p pieces (change jar needed emptying). Lock me up and throw away the key. (Fortunately it was a self-checkout so no witnesses).

Would love to see the source code for this situation, where payment is disrupted due to the change jar needing to emptied. I bet the programmers put in some amusing comments.

Is there a way this scenario can be coded in any other way than:

---

while(moneyGotSoFar {

   // code to interface with hardware device which 
   // is taking in money
   // NOTE: moneyGotInThisBurst would be told by the 
   // hardware device software

   ... 

   // some time out code. And exception handling if 
   // no cash entered
   moneyGotSoFar += moneyGotInThisBurst;
}

---

So point is, the developers may not think upfront of these kind of cases. And this case can be a boundary condition test case - May potentially test any array overflows. Or some looping done the wrong way. Or out of memory if it has been coded in Java(Oops. Sorry :-))

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by Maert »

taligent wrote: post #217
eta_carinae wrote: post #205

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Apple seems to disagree with you since in the past year, all the new products that they have introduced have pretty much been spec upgrades with no innovation (and sometimes, regressions, e.g. maps).

There is actually a lot of innovation in those spec upgrades. The A6 SoC is custom designed and pretty impressive considering it is faster than the competition whilst using less power. And the thinness of the screen (i.e. integration of touch sensors) is definitely innovative. Then again Apple has always been evolutionary.

Long time reader here.

I created an account just to be able to comment and try to downvote your comment.

What an exquisite example of fanboyism! Calling slimmer (but larger!) phone and a faster processor an innovation...

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by deong »

rrouse wrote: post #163
deong wrote: post #131

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Well, they are the only retailer I can think of that has to take their entire site down for several hours to add a new sku.

They don't have to. I believe it's done for two reasons. 1). Suspense during their events 2). To keep people from buying the older devices that they are about to discontinue. No reason to have to field support calls for people wanting to cancel/return their newly purchased items.

I was going for snarky there. :)
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