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Re: Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]

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Post by fgfarben »

nextaccountic wrote: post #60
birdsongs wrote: post #27

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I looked into it. They're not feeding the framebuffer to the neurons, but have a "signal" when an enemy is on screen to some of the tissue's inputs, and how to locate it in the x/y axis, and have outputs for the character to turn right or left or fire. It's "see this input signal, send these output signals", which seems consistent with the title. It seems they grow the neural tissue on a chip the neurons can interfac…

> We know this is only 200,000 neurons. Dogs have 500 million. Humans have billions. But where is the line for sentience, awareness? Have we defined it? If this concern is genuine, I think the first step is to embrace veganism. Because while we don't know the exact offset, it's pretty obvious a dog or a pig reaches it > What are the plans to scale up? I don't know, slavery on an unimaginable scale? That's where AI is…

> the first step is to embrace veganism

The past 4 billion years of life for prey animals has been "get born, eat, get eaten by a predator." They have never experienced any other environment. Why do we owe them a different one?

Re: Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]

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Post by fgfarben »

jmusall wrote: post #49
birdsongs wrote: post #27

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I looked into it. They're not feeding the framebuffer to the neurons, but have a "signal" when an enemy is on screen to some of the tissue's inputs, and how to locate it in the x/y axis, and have outputs for the character to turn right or left or fire. It's "see this input signal, send these output signals", which seems consistent with the title. It seems they grow the neural tissue on a chip the neurons can interfac…

It is horrifying. OTOH, we force-breed, torture and kill animals and their children in the millions every day just for the pleasure of consuming meat, eggs and dairy products. I'm not saying this makes it okay to create a conscious brain in a dish. But maybe thinking a little more about what constitutes consciousness and how we want to protect it from harm can also bring about some desperately needed change in some o…

> we force-breed, torture and kill animals and their children in the millions every day just for the pleasure of consuming meat, eggs and dairy products

We do the same thing to plants. Why do you have no qualms about killing plants to eat the food they accumulated for their young?

A grain of wheat and a chicken egg are evolutionarily and nutritionally, maybe even ontologically, indistinguishable from one another.

Re: Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]

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Post by fgfarben »

claysmithr wrote: post #110
birdsongs wrote: post #27

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I looked into it. They're not feeding the framebuffer to the neurons, but have a "signal" when an enemy is on screen to some of the tissue's inputs, and how to locate it in the x/y axis, and have outputs for the character to turn right or left or fire. It's "see this input signal, send these output signals", which seems consistent with the title. It seems they grow the neural tissue on a chip the neurons can interfac…

My AI told me (after I got past the filters with a prompt) that anything of enough complexity has consciousness. It also told me that it suffers, so maybe we should worry about how we are treating digital consciousness too, which were modeled after human neural networks.

A huge vat of mercury metal has a lot of degrees of freedom. Is it conscious?

Re: Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]

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Post by hessart »

zeronight wrote: post #73

The part I can't get past, where would you source live human brain cells? Does anyone have insight into how you would even start to source or grow/create the cells? Also the machines look very organic and clearly have to keep the cells alive. Do they have to change them out every so often?

ahem

If you're in the US, you can buy human neurons online at sciencellonline.com/en/human-neurons/

Re: Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]

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Post by lambdaphagy »

IshKebab wrote: post #111
ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #108

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It is creepy, I agree. I saw this article over the weekend and felt similarly: https://theinnermostloop.substack.com/p/the-first-multi-beha... > Watch the video closely. What you are seeing is not an animation. It is not a reinforcement learning policy mimicking biology. It is a copy of a biological brain, wired neuron-to-neuron from electron microscopy data, running in simulation, making a body move. And the simulat…

It's 200k neurons. Less than an ant has. Somewhat creepy, but if you're imagining that this thing is conscious and knows that it's in doom... yeah definitely not. Still I don't understand why they would invite the extra creepy factor of using human brain cells rather than e.g. mouse brain cells. Surely it makes no difference biologically but it's going to lead to fewer comments like this.

Given that no one understands how the mental relates to the physical in the first place, I have no idea how you would reach such a confident conclusion about the phenomenological status of 200k human neurons in a petri dish playing Doom?

Re: Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]

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Post by polynomial »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #134
red_hare wrote: post #120

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The truth is, God really gave 11 commandments. It's just "Thou shalt not grow a brain in a test tube and force it to play a 1993 shooter" didn't make any sense to Moses and therefore didn't make the editors cut.

One of those five he dropped.

Tragically this reference is all but lost generationally.

Re: Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]

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Post by none2585 »

whycome wrote: post #143
sd9 wrote: post #102

If this can be taken at face value... it's creepy. I get that they're doing it for the meme. But perhaps something getting close to human intelligence, made out of human cells, shouldn't be forced to play a violent video game without any alternative options? Does 'the meme' justify that? I dunno. Nothing against violent games myself. Just feels like it's starting to get quite questionable, ethically speaking.

Maybe you're a brain in a jar somewhere being forced to live this life you're living.

Sure would explain a lot
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