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Google just gave Sundar Pichai a $692M pay package

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Re: Google just gave Sundar Pichai a $692M pay package

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Isn't Sundar a worker? We are talking about his pay from negotiation with capital owners

He's probably muttering "I have nothing to lose but my chains" as he's hand-washing his Che Guevara shirt.

to be fair it's possible Sundar is unhappy and just wants to enjoy his wealth but it's hard to say no to $200m/yr

Re: Google just gave Sundar Pichai a $692M pay package

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Pichai has been a very poor CEO but Google's position was so strong that it is still doing fine. I am sure he is in the founder's good graces so as long as the company's stock takes a big dive he is gonna stay at the helm and keep raking in the big bucks.

> Pichai has been a very poor CEO Why do you say this? I’m not familiar with him, and really haven’t paid much attention to Google’s strategy beyond cultural awareness, but I think Google has done well with staying competitive in AI, is dominating the self driving battle with Waymo, and has mostly kept its good brand intact (no small feat when you are so big). Are there some big mis-steps I don’t know about?

They missed the boat with ChatGPT, the research paper for it initially came from Google. There's no real focus between Android, ChromeOS, and Fuschia. The AI results box was possible a decade ago, but not giving money to the sites the info was gotten from was too far a stretch. How I feel is that the company doesn't really know what it's doing, there's no real leadership. KilledByGoogle is a website. With Stadia the technology was there but didn't have the right backing to make it in the market. Though it turns out those GPUs are useful for GCP for AI, so that might have been the real reason. He's just not much of a leader. He doesn't need to go full Elon, but some amount of character would be nice.

Re: Google just gave Sundar Pichai a $692M pay package

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Without taking a stance on whether their search has improved or degraded, we can observe that the same claim (“search is so degraded it’s unusable”) has been common for like 5 years at this point. If it’s really such a problem, why haven’t people already switched? Google’s search is at 90% market share [1]. Surely if it was perceived as a problem to customers there should be some measurable effect? [1] https://gs.sta…

Google has succeeded in enshittifying their search in a way that the vast majority of users (not customers -- those are the advertisers) have not noticed.

Do they go away or do they use the weak but good enough (for many) Google LLM response instead?

Re: Google just gave Sundar Pichai a $692M pay package

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What about Kagi?

No offense to Kagi, but they don’t rank in the top 6. They are behind even Baidu, which I had forgotten exists. I think they have good mind-share among power users, but probably not in the general population.

But the question is whether or not Kagi is a competitor — not just in regards to the market share it currently holds, but what it could come to hold. Let's see where it is next year.

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I remember Pichai mainly for his "AI now first everything" in 2015, destroying Google search as a reliable channel to acquisit users somehow for free.

That may have been bad for users, but you can hardly claim it was bad for the company - not even in the long run. Ten years is like 40% of Google's lifetime, that is the long run! And if indeed he went all-in on AI in 20 15 , that seems to me like a damn near prophetic vision. Dislike AI by all means, but you can't say it's not the Current Big Thing or that Google is doing badly because of it. To see that coming so e…

> if indeed he went all-in on AI in 2015, that seems to me like a damn near prophetic vision.

Also note that 7 years later, when ChatGPT came out, built on top of Google Brain research (transformers), Google was caught flat-footed.

Even supposing that Pichai really had the right vision a decade ago, he completely failed in leading its execution until a serious threat to the company's core business model materialized.

Re: Google just gave Sundar Pichai a $692M pay package

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post #104

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No, these are RSUs, which - to your shock - are taxed as ordinary income upon payout (if that even occurs). He did not get some custom stock now that will appreciate in value magically, if and only if he meets targets - or certain types of options can also act like this. Even if GOOG stock grew so much, that this ended up being a $3B pay package, he'd be taxed as ordinary income on the full amount at payout - not eve…

Shocking? Taxed on payout is a discount versus ordinary stiffs who get taxed every year. A percentage taken from the increase of an amount every year, is more than the same percentage taken at the end; as the former foregoes the opportunity to earn a return on the amount taxed earlier. This is quite significant over longer periods. (I learned that from one of Warren Buffet's annual letters - I think he was explaining…

Getting a lump-sum payment at the end of three years is worse than getting paid incrementally, and is sort of the opposite of how insurance companies make money (which is taking frontloaded payments for long-term liabilities and investing the float).

Re: Google just gave Sundar Pichai a $692M pay package

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I'm willing to fail as Intel's CEO for the low, low cost of $5m/year, and I can get it done in a year.

Sorry, we’re only considering applicants with a proven track record of failing as CEO

Can't risk hiring an amateur and he accidently succeeded.
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