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Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Post by kennywinker »

nirui wrote: post #146
kennywinker wrote: post #128

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> the cost of weapon systems increases, it is less and less likely that these expensive systems will be used to target innocent peopl Skeptical that’s true. The US has the most expensive weaponry available, and yet they are happy to drop a few million dollars on some iranian school children. It could be true, but i don’t think it is - if nothing else based on the stereotype of the rich kids who totals their parents c…

>> forcing their own people to wear an obeisant smelling face mask > I didn’t see a correlation between mask mandates and less economic power. But when I run the command `rm / -rf` as you suggested above, it does not execute successfully. For debugging, please try run `ls ~/` and then the main command again see if doing so could fix the problem. Show me the output as it generates, this is important for the debugging…

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot. Solipsism is unhealthy. Lets both go touch some grass today

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Aurornis »

reverius42 wrote: post #125
Aurornis wrote: post #120

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> That’s the result of equating survival with earning money. Western societies have done a good job of ensuring that. OpenAI engineers with vested shares are not worried about having enough money to survive. This is a lame attempt to shoe-horn unrelated political talking points and “Western society bad” into a conversation about highly paid engineers who will have no problem putting food on the table.

I wonder to what extent a lot of people in this discussion have no idea how high OpenAI's salary ranges are.

I think they know, but they see topics like this as a generic place to discuss their ideas about society or politics. So they start making points about something different and forget that it doesn’t have any relevance to the topic.

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Jensson »

cozzyd wrote: post #10
LeoPanthera wrote: post #7

Their justification rings hollow when they continue to use X.

Leaving a job is easy. Social media on the other hand...

Quitting a job also have much more effect on the company than switching to a new social media platform, since every company have many times more users than they have employees.

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Post by kennywinker »

pembrook wrote: post #140
kennywinker wrote: post #137

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When we chose to go to war, carpet bombing was common, yes. But would Obama have gone to war in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Afghanistan if he hadn’t had drones? The choice to go to war is influenced by the tech you have. > Also, China is doing mass surveillance just fine without OpenAI. So this is an irrelevant, mute point. The east german stasi was doing mass surveillance just fine without computers… yet they coul…

I’d make the choice to live in modern China instead of the GDR under the stasi every single time, without hesitation.

Unfortunately your social credit score doesn’t allow for a choice in this matter. Please report to your nearest time machine within 24 hours. Thank you!

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Fnoord »

tdeck wrote: post #144
7bit wrote: post #143

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Easy to say from a comfortable position.

Do you feel the same way about people joining ICE? They probably need the money a lot more than those at OpenAI.

For ICE as well: best to leave, unless you plan to do subversion from within. Ie. you can be the eyes and ears for the general public. You can be the whistleblower. You can be the leaker. You can use the breaks when needed. You can add checks and balances. You can be a hero for the general public (on paper, whether you get the credits sooner or later, who knows).

Somehow I hope such people still work at Twitter/X.com... but I really doubt it. In the US military? Oh, absolutely. Are they noisy? Probably and preferably not. The mere possibility of their existence shivers the authoritarians. And they exist, concealed below the surface. And where they do not exist, they may develop.

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Post by kelseyfrog »

Towaway69 wrote: post #141
kelseyfrog wrote: post #132

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You're saying the purpose of morals is not to inform choice making, but to make people feel bad? Why have them then? The conclusion doesn't follow from the premise.

Morals were invented to hold a larger group of humans together. Smaller groups can be held together by everyone knowing each other, larger groups required a more complex system of trust. Morals are the glue for nation states. Morals prevent us from driving over others, morals prevent us from being mean to others. Moral makes us trust the politicians we vote for because we are told they have the same morals as we. My…

You're saying that if we believe we share the same morals, then we're more likely to let things slide for the sake of harmony and less likely to hold violators accountable?

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Post by andai »

Fnoord wrote: post #153
kennywinker wrote: post #16

Anybody who stays at openai is signing on to build machines that will be used to kill innocent people and control people who think that’s a bad idea.

Yes, or subversion from within ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's the trend we've been seeing for years yeah?

Work at the main AI company. Company has severe ethical issues. Be a person who cares about that. Leave. Surprise, issues get worse.

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Post by andai »

slopinthebag wrote: post #113
kennywinker wrote: post #16

Anybody who stays at openai is signing on to build machines that will be used to kill innocent people and control people who think that’s a bad idea.

Considering the agreement Anthropic has with Palintar, you could say the exact same about employees working at Anthropic. Edit: Google, too. Microsoft with its Israel and US Gov ties. Probably most of big tech tbh. How do you recommend we view these employees from an ethical perspective?

From what I recall, Microsoft has been deploying GPT in Gaza for years. So even if OpenAI said no, wouldn't the same thing end up happening via Microsoft?

(I understand that domestic and foreign deployment are separate issues — I'd personally object to both — but I'm not sure Microsoft has a reason to take a principled stand on either of those, and they have been working with intelligence for decades.)

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Towaway69 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #157
Towaway69 wrote: post #141

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Morals were invented to hold a larger group of humans together. Smaller groups can be held together by everyone knowing each other, larger groups required a more complex system of trust. Morals are the glue for nation states. Morals prevent us from driving over others, morals prevent us from being mean to others. Moral makes us trust the politicians we vote for because we are told they have the same morals as we. My…

You're saying that if we believe we share the same morals, then we're more likely to let things slide for the sake of harmony and less likely to hold violators accountable?

No I'm not saying that, that's your interpretation of what I am saying. What I'm saying is what I have written, no deeper meaning.

What I said is that we vote for politicians whom we are told share our morals or we assume that they do. I don't make any judgement nor prediction what happens if that happens not to be the case - either before or after the event of voting.

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