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Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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The last time China bombed a foreign country was 1979, 47 years ago. Has the US gone even 47 days in the last 80 years without bombing another country?

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Ya, this is in fact quantifiably better. Insofar as number of deaths = level of badness.

Neither is a picnic but I'll take a small proxy conflict over massive direct air campaign and definitely boots-on-the-ground Freedom campaigns any day.

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

#93

Anybody who stays at openai is signing on to build machines that will be used to kill innocent people and control people who think that’s a bad idea.

I’m worried that China will build said killing machines and that we’ll be unprepared.

They have to build them because we will build them...

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

#94

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Uighur concentration camps? Falun Gong organ harvesting?

Vietnam war, iraq war, afghanistan war, iran war, gaza war, allowing iraq to get and use chemical weapons on iran, forced regime change in south america (then and now). Get real it's not equivalent in any way

How can you say the Uyghur genocide isn't "equivalent" to the things you listed? What math are you using to compare them? How do you compare regime change in South America to Uyghur genocide, for example? Is there a spreadsheet somewhere that lists the value you're placing on lives, war and geopolitical actions, in order to make a fair comparison?

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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Always surprised when these "smart people" didn't see these things coming from several years away... Its honestly hard for me to believe it. Going to work for these big SV corps is and always has been directly in service of US empire, that's literally what built the valley in the first place.

Haha that's what I thought, but my thought was that I can't believe Sam Altman didn't see a serious backlash coming when Anthropic rejected a contract saying "the only two things we won't do are mass surveillance and autonomous killer drones" and within 6 hours Sam was all over that.

I thought they missed the deadline. That’s hardly a rejection. They’re still negotiating, right?

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

#96

Anybody who stays at openai is signing on to build machines that will be used to kill innocent people and control people who think that’s a bad idea.

I’m worried that China will build said killing machines and that we’ll be unprepared.

I reject that argument. I dislike China (the CCP, not the people), and having lived there 6 years I know it much better than most foreigners. But your argument leads to us becoming just like China (CCP). I'd rather hold to some moral values and humanity and be a weaker country, than discard them to be strong.

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

#97
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I’m worried that China will build said killing machines and that we’ll be unprepared.

China is currently a more morally virtuous country than the US.

I'm more angry than most about what the US has become lately, but I also have a deep knowledge of what China is actually like from 6 years living and working there, and I can tell you that China is still worse. Granted, the US is heading that directly pretty quickly.

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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They welded shut the doors to Uyghur Muslims and had a bunch of donated food for them stacked outside their homes in one giant pile that they couldn't get to. It either rotted away or was eaten by animals.

Jack booted thugs shot a women in the face for the crime of sitting in her car and the administration called her a terrorist. Nothing happened to the thug. Jack booted thugs shot a man in the back for the crime of defending a woman and the administration called him a terrorist. Nothing happened to that thug either.

Absolutely. But what people don't realize is this sort of thing happens in China too, it's just never reported or heard about, other than some whispers here and there, because of such tight control over the media, the internet, and public discourse. In the US, as much as the fascists are trying to take over, at least you can still protest and make your voice heard.

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

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I can't help but to feel like this is an odd moral position to take. OP is apparently fine with building technology to spy on civilians in other countries, and I don't see a moral relevance to citizenship on this matter. If spying on civilians is fundamentally wrong, it doesn't become OK when the people live in a different region of the world. If spying on civilians is fundamentally OK, then why would there be a mora…

I agree mass surveillance is fundamentally wrong, but it's reasonable for people to feel greater responsibility towards the citizens of your own country, and how they are treated by your government.

Re: I resigned from OpenAI

#100
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Whatever happened to this all powerful non profit that would ensure OAI is doing right? Something tells me they just cashed in and run a corrupt shell at this point.

The board did try. That's why OAI has a new board.

It's grimly amusing that a non-profit created to control superintelligent AI for the benefit of humanity couldn't even handle Silicon Valley PR politics.
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