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Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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No, it’s when you decline to federate content that some users don’t want (and many do).

“and many do” Yeah, that’s definitely citation needed .

If many people did not want to read other people’s controversial opinions, we wouldn"t be having this whole debate.

Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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No, because that puts the effort of fighting bad actors on everyone. It means that every day you have new trolls spewing hate in your comments, and that your users have to constantly keep blocking trolls who follow them (and who recruit other trolls to join them) until they get tired and leave the platform. This isn't an academic debate, we've been seeing this play out online for at least 30 years. Probably longer -…

You would see comments from random trolls under a whitelist model. You would only see stuff from your friends.

"friends and followees"

Only allowing posts between mutual friends is instant messaging, not a social network. Discovery, engagement, and platform growth comes from people wanting to hear from and interact with followers who they don't necessarily follow themselves.

Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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I feel like there just something about " this thing is slightly difficult to get started using " that keeps normies out and keeps the place reasonable. It's the only way to prevent the Eternal September of a popular social network. I felt a similar experience to this on a trip to Scotland recently. My partner and I visited Iona, and it was just amazing. I suspect it was such a pleasant experience because, while the p…

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> The only people I've ever heard complain about the slight difficulty are techies

Because everyone else has never heard of mastodon or this fediverse shit. Of course you don't hear complaints from people who don't know what it is.

> I'll take normies over

There are no "normies" as you call them using federated services. They don't want to need to think about server to server federation rules. They want a global central feed.

Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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I feel like there just something about " this thing is slightly difficult to get started using " that keeps normies out and keeps the place reasonable. It's the only way to prevent the Eternal September of a popular social network. I felt a similar experience to this on a trip to Scotland recently. My partner and I visited Iona, and it was just amazing. I suspect it was such a pleasant experience because, while the p…

> I feel like there just something about "this thing is slightly difficult to get started using" that keeps normies out and keeps the place reasonable.

I think about this when people say that contributing to Linux is difficult and they should adopt more user-friendly ways of accepting changes, rather than mailing patches from the command line.

The friction is a feature. You don't want too much, but no friction just invites the spammers and the trolls wasting everybody's time. If anything, as the Internet grows and machines compete with humans, you want even more friction than ever before.

Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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> The only people I've ever heard complain about the slight difficulty are techies Because everyone else has never heard of mastodon or this fediverse shit. Of course you don't hear complaints from people who don't know what it is. > I'll take normies over There are no "normies" as you call them using federated services. They don't want to need to think about server to server federation rules. They want a global cent…

I've seen plenty of "normal" and non "techie" people on Mastodon.

And the point is the complaints about the "complexity" of Mastodon - which isn't really that complex you can literally join an instance as easily as signing up for a subreddit - are disingenuous coming from this crowd.

Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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> Moderators are a downright scare resource. if you restrict moderation to stuff like gore and porn, then you don't need that many moderators. > When you let people spew hateful things you drive away the people you want in the community can't people just unfollow or block others whose opinions they don't want to see? > Then there's the fact that it takes far more energy to refute bullshit than to spew it there is no…

if you restrict moderation to stuff like gore and porn, then you don't need that many moderators. On mastodon, porn-like content is mostly welcomed. Especially with anime or fox characters. Not sure why.

Because it overwhelmingly attracts a certain demographic of people who have a higher-than-average rate of various paraphilias as well as interest in software but such arguments are a bit taboo to discuss even if they are quite self-evident.

I liked the Internet better when it was all nerds and only code cared, rather than gender identity or listing neuroses in own's social media profile as if it was an audition for an echo chamber choir.

Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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> The only people I've ever heard complain about the slight difficulty are techies Because everyone else has never heard of mastodon or this fediverse shit. Of course you don't hear complaints from people who don't know what it is. > I'll take normies over There are no "normies" as you call them using federated services. They don't want to need to think about server to server federation rules. They want a global cent…

I've seen plenty of "normal" and non "techie" people on Mastodon. And the point is the complaints about the "complexity" of Mastodon - which isn't really that complex you can literally join an instance as easily as signing up for a subreddit - are disingenuous coming from this crowd.

People don't want to join "an instance". People don't want to care about what "an instance" is which also means being asked to be aware of things like instance-specific moderation rules.

And I don't know what it's like now, but cross-server following used to be quite annoying.

Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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“and many do” Yeah, that’s definitely citation needed .

If many people did not want to read other people’s controversial opinions, we wouldn"t be having this whole debate.

It seems like most of the people complaining about this aren't actually on Mastodon.

Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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If many people did not want to read other people’s controversial opinions, we wouldn"t be having this whole debate.

It seems like most of the people complaining about this aren't actually on Mastodon.

Well, obviously you’re not going to be on a platform you dislike. I have signed up for Mastodon several times, but always ended up finding the instance dependency off-putting. I wish for a protocol where the instance mostly doesn’t matter and you can trivially switch to a different one, like with e-mail.

Re: Boy I was wrong about the Fediverse

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I've seen plenty of "normal" and non "techie" people on Mastodon. And the point is the complaints about the "complexity" of Mastodon - which isn't really that complex you can literally join an instance as easily as signing up for a subreddit - are disingenuous coming from this crowd.

People don't want to join "an instance". People don't want to care about what "an instance" is which also means being asked to be aware of things like instance-specific moderation rules. And I don't know what it's like now, but cross-server following used to be quite annoying.

People join "rooms", "lobbies", "boards", "subs", "groups", "servers" and the like all the time, and deal with moderation rules.
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