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Palantir and Anthropic AI helped the US hit 1k Iran targets in 24 hours

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> as if helping destroy an autocratic terror regime that killed thousands of Americans through the years is "dirty”? > How come HN became so extreme left it can't understand this is a good thing? Good Thing? How deranged are you to say something without proof and accuse others of a being left, when people are being normal.

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Re: Palantir and Anthropic AI helped the US hit 1k Iran targets in 24 hours

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I'm really curious to understand why this was done and why it was necessary. I cannot imagine the AI was used to identify targets without any base information. ie, I imagine the military already had a list of targets and locations. How would the AI know from satellite imagery that something was a military target. If that's the case, why did they need help selecting targets? I can only imagine that the military bases…

This is wild guess. I'm working with GIS and Claude has proven to be extremely savvy. I can see operators throwing hundreds of layers and coming back with a "there a possible military installation here". Same tech that is used to find unregulated pools, or measuring the density of parking lots, or Nazca lines, but much more on demand for specific purposes. Just to clarify, I don't condone the use of AI for guessing t…

Just curious, for what exact purpose are you using Claude? Does it analyze geographic data for you or images or something? Or does it help you writing code that does this? Or does it create visualization for you?

Re: Palantir and Anthropic AI helped the US hit 1k Iran targets in 24 hours

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Even if you don't care about the needless human suffering the US has caused from this operation, this conflict threatens global stability because of oil supply disruptions, and if the US keeps this up it could get quite bad very quickly. I worked briefly in defense-tech and there is a huge blindspot in this field. While I worked with a ton of thoughtful, ethical, and talented people from the military, there is a veri…

I've found that reading odds and ends outside of my own academic, professional, or theoretical interests nets some interesting things sometimes.

At one point I got curious about how the US military thinks about insurgencies, so I read their manual on how to fight them. As someone holding a lot of dissident views in the US it was pretty interesting.

One thing I took away was the feeling that at no time did the manual ever define what an "insurgent" is, beyond whoever the US government tells them the insurgents are.

So you have as situation where, ultimately, there's no external reality testing, and reality is simply whatever "reality" is as defined by the command structure.

I know that sounds overly simple- of course military follows a chain of command, unquestionable right up to its civilian commander in chief.

Why I feel that is a useful observation is that, to your question, people are constantly deferring their ethical judgements. And I suspect there is some cognitive bias in play that allows folks to feel that deferral can't happen across all these systems.

In the case of businesses, it is to "the market"-- which is reactive and as such doesn't have "judgement", and even if it did it's needs aren't "human" so relying on it as a human seems dangerous. So to your question, my answer is usually "probably not". And further, unless people stop deferring their judgments to the imaginary of the spectacular market, eventually shits gonna break.

In the case of the military, we can see what happens when radically nihilistic (pedophilic and sociopathic media personalities) are put at the helm.

My larger point, though, is that our usual assumption seems to be that all these other folks are likely to exercise their faculties to test out reality and hopefully, when it doesn't line up with that reality, push back and prevent dumb shit from happening.

But all these systems are set up to prevent that from happening, it doesn't seem at all strange to me that these systems are starting to break in the ways that the seem to be failing.

Re: Palantir and Anthropic AI helped the US hit 1k Iran targets in 24 hours

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Is that what targeted the school? Or was that intentional?

> Witnesses and an education ministry official said that the school was located on a compound that was a base for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps until about 15 years ago. https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/iran-school-strike-us-mil... In this case it seems plausible that the military would have an outdated database, and that an LLM would have "known" it wasn't a base anymore, assuming the LLM was trained on do…

> In this case it seems plausible that the military would have an outdated database, and that an LLM would have "known" it wasn't a base anymore,

Ah, yes, because an LLM has never made a mistake ever. It certainly could not have made a mistake. No way.

Also, all databases are perfect. It certainly couldn't have been fed conflicting info. No way.

Re: Palantir and Anthropic AI helped the US hit 1k Iran targets in 24 hours

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The school was a seperate building so targeting or weapon precision was pretty sloppy. The shift toward war crime whataboutism is a new low for HN, capping off a week of aggressive warmongering and intellectualized cruelty in every comment thread about Iran.

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Modern technology allows for precision that was impossible in WW2. Using civilian casualties in WW2 to justify them today is horrible.

WW2 was a total war. This isn't even a war according to our laws. Even if we concluded that the firebombing was acceptable (and oodles of people call it a war crime), this does not transfer that justification to these attacks.

I am also not terribly interested in using the evil acts of terrorist groups to justify our own evil acts. Would it be acceptable in your mind to behead captured Iranian PoWs because various terrorist groups do this? I would hope not.

Re: Palantir and Anthropic AI helped the US hit 1k Iran targets in 24 hours

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> Witnesses and an education ministry official said that the school was located on a compound that was a base for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps until about 15 years ago. https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/iran-school-strike-us-mil... In this case it seems plausible that the military would have an outdated database, and that an LLM would have "known" it wasn't a base anymore, assuming the LLM was trained on do…

> In this case it seems plausible that the military would have an outdated database, and that an LLM would have "known" it wasn't a base anymore, Ah, yes, because an LLM has never made a mistake ever. It certainly could not have made a mistake. No way. Also, all databases are perfect. It certainly couldn't have been fed conflicting info. No way.

You don't know what plausible means.

Re: Palantir and Anthropic AI helped the US hit 1k Iran targets in 24 hours

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So will there be droves of people canceling their Claude subscription too? None of these companies are clean and I think it’s hilarious HN and the rest of SV has been duped by Dario. He’s playing the game better than Sam is, imo. Nothing Dario has said has indicated he is regretful about their partnership with Palantir or any of the stuff they’ve done with the DoD in the past 2.5 years. Edit: this Washington Post art…

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And almost 200 Iranian schoolgirls.

Re: Palantir and Anthropic AI helped the US hit 1k Iran targets in 24 hours

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I wonder what the people who cancelled their ChatGPT subscriptions and switched to Anthropic are thinking now. All these providers are the same.

I'm convinced that Claude is being used to run hype train on HN. That's option A, option B is pure halo effect. I.e. Claude is so good that people misascribe positive attributes to Anthropic. Otherwise it really is mind boggling to see people laud Dario's posts which are tone blind to Europeans at least.

I'm European and would like to know what you mean wrt to Europeans.

Re: Palantir and Anthropic AI helped the US hit 1k Iran targets in 24 hours

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So surgical they've included a school and a boat 1000 miles away returning from international exercises.

They didn't intentionally try to attack a school, and also they gave the crew of the ship a chance to evacuate.
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