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Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by latexr »

mcherm wrote: post #30
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So do we now roll back all of the previous copyright cases where downloading music with bittorrent has been prosecuted No, because those cases were pirating-while-poor. This is pirating-while-trillion-dollar-corporation, which falls under a completely different section of the law.

At this stage, you are going to far in claiming that. So far, all that happened is that Meta's lawyers claimed it was fair use. They are paid to try every argument they can think of that might work. Just because they make the argument doesn't mean the court will find it has any merit.

While you are correct that a decision on this specific case is still pending, your parent comment does have a point that breaking the law while rich and while poor have very different outcomes. Also, no way they’re going to roll back all previous cases. So the joke works now, no need to wait.

Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by progval »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #37
plutokras wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no issue with anyone pirating. In my country — and soon in Italy as well — all storage media sales include a small levy (Artisjus) intended to compensate copyright holders for losses from piracy. One could argue it's unfair if you're not actually using the media for copying, but having been forced to pay it regardless, I have no moral qualms about pirating content I don't feel like paying for. By the same toke…

How does that money get distributed? If I create a film, how they decide if I’m worthy enough to receive some of that money?

The way it works in France is that money goes to a company that collects it on behalf of all copyright holders. Its website does not offer any documentation as to how copyright holders can claim their share.

Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by functionmouse »

jazz9k wrote: post #39
dizzy9 wrote: post #35

Some of us are old enough to remember when the RIAA sued children for downloading Metallica albums on filesharing networks. They sued for $100,000 per song, an absurd amount when you consider that even stealing a physical album would amount only to around $1 per song. What was bizarre was that courts took the figure seriously, even if they typically settled cases for around $3,000, still around 30x actual damages. Th…

Children can commit crimes too. It's funny, because now in the age of AI, many of the people that support piracy are now trying to stop AI companies from doing the same thing.

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Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by ohbleek »

dizzy9 wrote: post #35

Some of us are old enough to remember when the RIAA sued children for downloading Metallica albums on filesharing networks. They sued for $100,000 per song, an absurd amount when you consider that even stealing a physical album would amount only to around $1 per song. What was bizarre was that courts took the figure seriously, even if they typically settled cases for around $3,000, still around 30x actual damages. Th…

So, does this mean that people can simply argue in court now (if they were to be prosecuted for downloading media via bittorrent) that it is fair use if they used it to train a local model on their machine?

Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by jacquesm »

lukan wrote: post #2

The world has become so strange. In my pirate youth, I would have never imagined the big companies to argue in courts like this, basically pro piracy. And the activists are now against it, because the big guys are doing it.

Nothing has changed: the money flows in the same direction as before, that's the constant. The courts are just a diode in a rectifier.

Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by vjk800 »

lukan wrote: post #2

The world has become so strange. In my pirate youth, I would have never imagined the big companies to argue in courts like this, basically pro piracy. And the activists are now against it, because the big guys are doing it.

If Meta wins this, does it mean that pirating becomes legal again?

Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by j-bos »

lukan wrote: post #2

The world has become so strange. In my pirate youth, I would have never imagined the big companies to argue in courts like this, basically pro piracy. And the activists are now against it, because the big guys are doing it.

The activists seem to be so blinded by disdain they can't even consider the value of the precedent if it goes theough.

Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by b112 »

dizzy9 wrote: post #35

Some of us are old enough to remember when the RIAA sued children for downloading Metallica albums on filesharing networks. They sued for $100,000 per song, an absurd amount when you consider that even stealing a physical album would amount only to around $1 per song. What was bizarre was that courts took the figure seriously, even if they typically settled cases for around $3,000, still around 30x actual damages. Th…

Way to leave out context!

By no means were they suing for downloading alone. They were suing for sharing while downloading, and seeding after, and as "early seeders" they helped thousands obtain copies.

Right or wrong, it was absolutely not about just downloading. It wasn't about taking one copy.

In their eyes, it was about copyng then handing out tens of thousands of copies for free.

Again, not saying it was right. However, please don't provide an abridged account, slanted to create a conclusion in the reader.

Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by cindyllm »

jazz9k wrote: post #39
dizzy9 wrote: post #35

Some of us are old enough to remember when the RIAA sued children for downloading Metallica albums on filesharing networks. They sued for $100,000 per song, an absurd amount when you consider that even stealing a physical album would amount only to around $1 per song. What was bizarre was that courts took the figure seriously, even if they typically settled cases for around $3,000, still around 30x actual damages. Th…

Children can commit crimes too. It's funny, because now in the age of AI, many of the people that support piracy are now trying to stop AI companies from doing the same thing.

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Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by misnome »

b112 wrote: post #48
dizzy9 wrote: post #35

Some of us are old enough to remember when the RIAA sued children for downloading Metallica albums on filesharing networks. They sued for $100,000 per song, an absurd amount when you consider that even stealing a physical album would amount only to around $1 per song. What was bizarre was that courts took the figure seriously, even if they typically settled cases for around $3,000, still around 30x actual damages. Th…

Way to leave out context! By no means were they suing for downloading alone. They were suing for sharing while downloading, and seeding after, and as "early seeders" they helped thousands obtain copies. Right or wrong, it was absolutely not about just downloading. It wasn't about taking one copy. In their eyes, it was about copyng then handing out tens of thousands of copies for free. Again, not saying it was right.…

Did you even read the title of the article? This is exactly what they are claiming is fair use.
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