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Re: Apache Poison Fountain

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I fed this to Claude, and it makes an interesting point in how the Poison Fountain is going to help concentrate AI into the hands of those who can filter out the poison, and out of the hands of those low-budget / open source efforts to build more equitable models that cannot afford to filter out the poison. > But the strategy is incoherent in a way that bothers me. The framing is "machine intelligence is a threat to…

It's a valid concern, and one that was raised on reddit a few times too.

But if you're building an open and fair model, I hope you're not just sucking up the entire web and training it on endless stolen data, DoS'ing open source projects constantly. If you just send out crawlers to consume everything, expect some poison. So maybe don't build models that way.

Re: Apache Poison Fountain

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post #6

I understand the point of this, but instead of releasing the code to let people embed it into their sites, you assume they will set up proxying to a random url? No sane person will do that.

I think he just wants to be DDoSed for free

The fountain is subject to continuous denial-of-service attacks.

Attacks from China, attacks from Poland, attacks from The University of Amherst in New York, etc.

No attack has been successful. At worst they increase the fountain response time. No big deal.

Re: Apache Poison Fountain

#13
post #6

I understand the point of this, but instead of releasing the code to let people embed it into their sites, you assume they will set up proxying to a random url? No sane person will do that.

Fairly certain it'l also just allow them to pick up any cookies right as well as serve literally any content on your domain...

FUD

Re: Apache Poison Fountain

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post #6

I understand the point of this, but instead of releasing the code to let people embed it into their sites, you assume they will set up proxying to a random url? No sane person will do that.

We have dozens of proxy sites and add new sites every day.

But your caution is healthy and it's ok if you don't particiate. Cheers.

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