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The next generations of Bubble Tea, Lip Gloss, and Bubbles are available now

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Re: The next generations of Bubble Tea, Lip Gloss, and Bubbles are available now

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reaperducer wrote: post #39
zelphirkalt wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has led to a completely overblown design of at least their website. All these cutesy pictures of bubble tea, way too big graphical wrappers, no simple page that is labeled "screenshots", no explanation what "bubbletea" actually is, ... One would think it to be a simple task to mention somewhere that this is a TUI library, where one can see it at the first glance. But apparently not. Instead I am seeing: Your new…

We make the command line glamorous. Awesome for one man bands. Or maybe Panic. But my Finance department is never going to approve that purchase.

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Re: The next generations of Bubble Tea, Lip Gloss, and Bubbles are available now

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wavemode wrote: post #32

how exactly does the Charm corporation make money?

Hm good question. Seems like VC investment money?

https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/02/charm-offensive-googles-gr...

> Charm had previously raised around $4 million in funding spread across various angel and seed rounds, and now the company is adding a further $6 million to its coffers, with Google’s VC fund Gradient Ventures leading the charge, supported by Cavalry Ventures, Fuel Capital, Firestreak, and a slew of angel backers.

https://charm.land/blog/the-next-generation/

There used to be development of enterprise and cloud offerings, but that seems to have disappeared.

Hopefully they keep the "hobby project that people decided to throw money at" vibe and don't start chasing business incentives.

Re: The next generations of Bubble Tea, Lip Gloss, and Bubbles are available now

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rothific wrote: post #51

Theory: terminal apps are closing the agent self-improvement loop because agents can use TUIs more easily than web/desktop/mobile. Anomaly, which builds OpenCode + OpenTUI), is also doing some really interesting stuff in this space with their custom renderer. And then there's Ink ( https://github.com/vadimdemedes/ink ) which is what Claude Code uses. I also built Ink Web ( https://github.com/cjroth/ink-web ) to make…

You know what's even easier for AI agents to use than TUIs? CLIs.

My experience has been that agents suck at using TUIs, and are good at using CLIs. I would argue that agents are a reason that TUIs might die in favor of CLIs.

Re: The next generations of Bubble Tea, Lip Gloss, and Bubbles are available now

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Post by userbinator »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #10

Somehow this whole ecosystem of tools always gives me a bad vibe, and I can't quite pinpoint why. All the demos and videos are applications with lots of stacked pop-ups/modal windows, and things moving around continuously. It all reminds me of what we typically see in computers in TV shows or sci-fi films. It just looks like a chaotic mess of things, and I get this really strong urge to just stay away from it all.

It all reminds me of what we typically see in computers in TV shows or sci-fi films.

The general vibe I get is "script kiddies trying too hard".

Re: The next generations of Bubble Tea, Lip Gloss, and Bubbles are available now

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zabzonk wrote: post #7

Please, a simple web page that tells me what this does, and why I should use it. Links to github have never done this for me.

Bubble tea is a library for handling TUIs using the Elm architecture, often abbreviated TEA: a model type, a message type, an update function that refreshes the model and emits side effects, and a view function that renders the UI given the model state. The article link goes to the releases page, but the top level README of the project has much better info.

For a related library in Rust check out Iced: https://book.iced.rs

Re: The next generations of Bubble Tea, Lip Gloss, and Bubbles are available now

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Post by saratogacx »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #17
atkrad wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's intentional design. They picked a strong visual identity early and applied it consistently; the name, the color palette, the retro terminal feel. Every package looks like it belongs to the same family. Most open source projects never think about this. Charm did from day one.

This has led to a completely overblown design of at least their website. All these cutesy pictures of bubble tea, way too big graphical wrappers, no simple page that is labeled "screenshots", no explanation what "bubbletea" actually is, ... One would think it to be a simple task to mention somewhere that this is a TUI library, where one can see it at the first glance. But apparently not. Instead I am seeing: Your new…

In a world of boring corporate "rounded corners are less aggressive" websites and app designs, I really appreciate something that is more out there. Crush is their "opencode"-ish app and is my go to when not using CC or CopilotCLI directly. Sure, it everyone's cup of (bubble) tea but that is kind of the great part, it doesn't have to nor does try to be.

Re: The next generations of Bubble Tea, Lip Gloss, and Bubbles are available now

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Post by rothific »

TheDong wrote: post #63
rothific wrote: post #51

Theory: terminal apps are closing the agent self-improvement loop because agents can use TUIs more easily than web/desktop/mobile. Anomaly, which builds OpenCode + OpenTUI), is also doing some really interesting stuff in this space with their custom renderer. And then there's Ink ( https://github.com/vadimdemedes/ink ) which is what Claude Code uses. I also built Ink Web ( https://github.com/cjroth/ink-web ) to make…

You know what's even easier for AI agents to use than TUIs? CLIs. My experience has been that agents suck at using TUIs, and are good at using CLIs. I would argue that agents are a reason that TUIs might die in favor of CLIs.

I agree, agents struggle with TUIs. I do think this is easy to fix though (here's an interesting approach: https://github.com/remorses/ghostty-opentui). I think agents will have much better luck with TUIs than browsers.

The more interesting scenario IMO is having apps that are both TUIs AND CLIs where the agent uses the CLI but can pause and show the user a TUI for complex tasks where the user needs to input something.

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