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Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by barnas2 »

ribosometronome wrote: post #138
nocoolnametom wrote: post #127

One way to possibly get the cameras taken down: insist on requesting the data as it's public data and should be publicly accessible. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/wa-cit...

If they're not already exempted by law, legislators are likely to carve out exemptions. Federally, the FOIA already exempts the government from releasing data that would violate privacy (which was one of the hurdles to releasing Epstein related documents prior to Congress passing a law to demand it).

Isn't the entire argument for these based on the fact that people don't have an expectation of privacy in a public place? Not that I'm sure they won't try to make an excuse as to why it's different, but as far as I'm aware, you're allowed to just film in public.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by 9999px »

k33n wrote: post #135
snailmailman wrote: post #5

This is a quite scary map. They are all over my local area. It may technically be possible to route a drive around them, but if you take the most convenient path between any two points at least one camera will spot you. I'd have to leave my neighborhood through back roads and enter local shopping areas through sidestreets. This data shouldn't even be collected in the first place, let alone consolidated into a nationa…

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We are all being investigated by the Feds 24/7 — that's what dragnet surveillance is: indiscriminate investigation at scale to be used retroactively.

"Don't do anything bad and nothing will happen" is frankly asinine to me, personally. That same logic could extend to stop-and-frisk or random door-to-door visits to check for citizenship.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by pc86 »

dspillett wrote: post #110
debarshri wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small counties generate huge revenues with traffic cameras. I think reducing crime and road safety is an excuse. There are true innovators in the traffic camera space but i think counties often choose vendors who give them best ROI.

> Small counties generate huge revenues with traffic cameras. Whether or not that is true, I suspect it is, the best way to avoid fines for breaking traffic regulations is to not break traffic regulations. They can't make anything from you that way if you do.

Until they start changing speed limits, adjusting the timing on yellow lights, or just saying you ran a stop sign when you didn't and - oops! - they happened to have their dashcam off or their car angled so the actual intersection was just out of view.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by pc86 »

butterbomb wrote: post #143
pibaker wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Along with the cameras being used to reduce crime, the sheriff’s office said they may also be used for public safety concerns, including AMBER Alerts and Silver Alerts. Hot take: AMBER alert is a way to keep the public paranoid about child abduction by strangers, an evil but extremely rare act, and turn their paranoia into support for law enforcement. It may not be the intended purposes, but the (real) purpose of a…

> Hot take: AMBER alert is a way to keep the public paranoid about child abduction by strangers, an evil but extremely rare act I thought they were mostly custody style kidnappings anyway.

They almost entirely are, 90% plus. And they're incredibly rare even including those, which you shouldn't.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by pc86 »

carefulfungi wrote: post #95
snailmailman wrote: post #5

This is a quite scary map. They are all over my local area. It may technically be possible to route a drive around them, but if you take the most convenient path between any two points at least one camera will spot you. I'd have to leave my neighborhood through back roads and enter local shopping areas through sidestreets. This data shouldn't even be collected in the first place, let alone consolidated into a nationa…

You should assume every police cruiser has a plate reader, too.

They do, especially in cities and wealthy suburbs (and honestly a lot of poor rural areas too).

The difference is these typically don't zap that data up to a central database that any agency in the country can access, the way Flock does if only because the security people at Flock are a joke.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by mainmailman »

xXSLAYERXx wrote: post #51
burningChrome wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> This is a quite scary map. It can be. FLOCK data was used to put Bryan Kohberger at the scene along with other people's security camera's. Cops regularly use FLOCK camera's to get hits for criminals that have warrants for violent crime. I can see why people are ok with them when they're used to get criminals off the streets. However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop (where people are pull…

> However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop At what point do we accept that all systems are flawed? There could be many variables as to why the perp wasn't in the car. Maybe the perp stole the car. Maybe the perp borrowed the car. Maybe these systems do not work well in fog etc etc. I don't know how we're supposed to advance technology that makes us safer without getting into these muky situ…

Why do anything at all?

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by superkuh »

Flock AI cameras run off small solar panels. Having run my own computer systems off small solar panels I know that even a minor shadow or a bit of bird poop on the panel can decrease the output enough the computer eventually cannot run and shuts down. I bet Flock cameras have the same response to a bit of bird poop like substance or shadow.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by lokar »

k33n wrote: post #144
Zigurd wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before posting that you couldn't Google the Milwaukee cop who got busted for abusing Flock camera access? From just a week ago? If you want an absolute torrent of abuse search for cops running the IDs of their exes. That's why it's dead certain that Flock cameras will be routinely abused.

So then we need better access controls, and apparently the people who abuse it to stalk exes and such are already being prosecuted. Doesn’t seem like the technology itself is the core issue here to me.

Police in the US very rarely face accountability for misconduct.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Post by [deleted] »

k33n wrote: post #144
Zigurd wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before posting that you couldn't Google the Milwaukee cop who got busted for abusing Flock camera access? From just a week ago? If you want an absolute torrent of abuse search for cops running the IDs of their exes. That's why it's dead certain that Flock cameras will be routinely abused.

So then we need better access controls, and apparently the people who abuse it to stalk exes and such are already being prosecuted. Doesn’t seem like the technology itself is the core issue here to me.

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