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Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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The only flock cameras indicated in my town are the canonical Home Depot arrangement. I'm pretty sure it's part of their standard operating procedures at this point. The effect these have had on the in store experience (at my location) is the primary thing that has me interested in limited deployments. Shopping at HD prior to the ALPRs was a horrible time. I think they finally caught the guy who was stealing the little screws out of the irrigation vacuum breakers. You can actually get a complete, unopened factory product most of the time now.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Remember, according to Flock's CEO, Deflock is a terrorist organization.

Yes, and according to Steve Ballmer (back in the day) Linux Torvalds was a terrorist. People are allowed to say stupid things.

by "say stupid things," you of course mean "tell bald-faced lies"

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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I volunteer for my city & county , and I'm a privacy advocate, so I have an ambivalent opinion on Flock cameras. Given the completely untenable demands on law enforcement, and extreme driver recklessness , the only practical way to enforce law and order with drivers is some sort of automated surveillance. Since covid, driver recklessness has been out of control. Running reds, extreme speed, escaping police are all co…

Could be wrong but I don't think Flock makes speed trap or red light cameras. These are license plate readers that conduct constant surveillance of everyone at all times, whether or not you've broken any traffic laws.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate upon the kinds of crime reduction that these systems provide?

Isn't it obvious? > License plate is reported to police associated with a crime. > Cop looks up plate number > Flock Camera shows general status and location of that license plate. > Cops find the car involved with the crime, preventing further criminality.

So what you're saying is that I can report your[1] car as being associated with a crime, and the police will show up wherever you and/or your car is and treat you like a criminal?

I love this for you!

[1] the literal you, as well as the figurative

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

#66

This is a quite scary map. They are all over my local area. It may technically be possible to route a drive around them, but if you take the most convenient path between any two points at least one camera will spot you. I'd have to leave my neighborhood through back roads and enter local shopping areas through sidestreets. This data shouldn't even be collected in the first place, let alone consolidated into a nationa…

>> This is a quite scary map. It can be. FLOCK data was used to put Bryan Kohberger at the scene along with other people's security camera's. Cops regularly use FLOCK camera's to get hits for criminals that have warrants for violent crime. I can see why people are ok with them when they're used to get criminals off the streets. However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop (where people are pull…

Sounds like it's working as intended. These systems don't track people, they provide objective clues and evidence.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Remember, according to Flock's CEO, Deflock is a terrorist organization.

Yes, and according to Steve Ballmer (back in the day) Linux Torvalds was a terrorist. People are allowed to say stupid things.

I don't think this is true, I can't even find anyone else claiming this happened.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Much prefer camera driven enforcement to cop-on-beat driven enforcement.

Flock cameras aren't enforcing anything. They collect your license plate and distinguishing details of your car. It's just car X with plate Y detected at location Z at time T.

Notably, they are not used for speed detection or 'good driving' detection.

You might think that having a constantly-present, objective, impartial camera enforcing a law is better than a sometimes-present, subjective, often not impartial beat cop doing that. But that's not what Flock does. Flock just turns that 'sometimes-present' beat cop into an 'always-present' beat cop, without addressing any of the other beat cop problems.

Re: An interactive map of Flock Cams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> This is a quite scary map. It can be. FLOCK data was used to put Bryan Kohberger at the scene along with other people's security camera's. Cops regularly use FLOCK camera's to get hits for criminals that have warrants for violent crime. I can see why people are ok with them when they're used to get criminals off the streets. However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop (where people are pull…

Sounds like it's working as intended. These systems don't track people, they provide objective clues and evidence.

By tracking everyone at all times.
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