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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by bzzzt »

Zanfa wrote: post #779
testing22321 wrote: post #709

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Tons of people pull the 5k iMac apart, gut the insides and install a driver board to run the screen. For a few hundred bucks you get a wicked 5k screen

Did exactly that a while ago to salvage the nano texture panel from my 5k iMac. It takes a bit of research to figure out the correct driver board for the specific panel / peripheral combo, but the build process itself was pretty straightforward and it works like a charm.

Can you share any experiences with the driver boards? From what I've seen it looks a bit janky with wires sticking out of the old iMacs chassis and a very old school on screen display. Is the driver board stable? No overheating or signal issues?

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Post by john_alan »

bdavbdav wrote: post #792
jordhy wrote: post #690

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With OpenClaw and powerful local models like Kimi 2.5, these specs make a lot of sense.

I’m not sure what model I’d trust locally with anything meaningful in Openclaw. The smaller/simpler the model is, the greater the chance of fluff answers is.

GPT-OSS-120 works well.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by diffeomorphism »

VladVladikoff wrote: post #729
butILoveLife wrote: post #447

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>Time to first token measured with an 8K-token prompt using a 14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization Oh dear 14B and 4-bit quant? There are going to be a lot of embarrassed programmers who need to explain to their engineering managers why their Macbook can't reasonably run LLMs like they said it could. (This already happened at my fortune 20 company lol)

I don’t really get why people are smack talking this, are there other laptops available that can do better?

Wrong question. If you sell a 6k€ machine "for AI", then you are judged on your own merits.

Replies like "but, but other laptops" are very weak attempts at deflection.

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Post by [deleted] »

ramijames wrote: post #317
manofmanysmiles wrote: post #114

I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

I've been on a Macbook M1 Pro since 2022 (bought refurbished on Amazon for cheap) and it's still such a powerhouse. It doesn't struggle at all with anything that I throw at it. Kind of amazing. Nothing has broken and I consistently get 4-6 hours of heavy work time while on battery. An amazing machine for the price I paid.

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Post by lelandfe »

gbalduzzi wrote: post #772
riffraff wrote: post #757

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Yeah reading these announcements I realized my M1 Pro is supposed to be obsolete but I still see no reason to upgrade. Also, my wife's still using the older touch bar MBP, and we'll, it works fine for her too. I'm not sure who needs the newer pros.

I'm still using the touch bar MBP. For doing web work using vs code, it works very well. You start having problems when an heavy compilation is required, e.g. Android / iOS builds

My 2020 M1 MBP just had its touch bar die a couple weeks ago :( Now I don't have function keys

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Post by john_alan »

sdevonoes wrote: post #558
nsbk wrote: post #7

The hardware looks amazing! Too bad they will ship with Tahoe installed. I’m not upgrading until I see in which direction the next Mac OS release goes

Same. Im waiting for the next macOS release. Tahoe is ugly as hell

same, but will it change?

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Post by ColonelPhantom »

zmmmmm wrote: post #799
sroussey wrote: post #783

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You are comparing a M5 Max to a base M4. The M4 Max has 546 GB/s compared to 614GB/s for the M5 Max. Which is like 12% faster not 4x.

What is truly amazing is the M1 Max is 400GB/s. 5 years later and we still only hit 1.5x on memory bandwidth. It's quite fascinating how high Apple spec'd it back then with apparently little foreknowledge of how important memory bandwidth would become, and then conversely how little they've managed to improve it now when it's so obvious how important it is.

The reason for that is that most memory bandwidth bumps come with new memory generations. For example an early DDR4 platform (e.g. Intel Skylake/Core iX-6000) and a late one (e.g. AMD Zen3/Ryzen 5000) only differ by 1.5x as well, typically.

The same trend is visible in GPUs: for example, my RTX 2070 (GDDR6) has the same memory bandwidth as a 3070 and only a little bit less than a 4070 (GDDR6X). However, a 5070 does get significantly more bandwidth due to the jump to GDDR7. Lower-end cards like the 4060 even stuck to GDDR6, which gave them a bandwidth deficit compared to a 3060 due to the narrower memory buses on the 40 series.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by leshenka »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #203

$5000 laptop you have to pay to add a power adapter… gratuitous penny pinching from Tim Cook's Apple. It's one of those things, yes if I'm spending that much on a laptop I can afford to spend $80 on the adapter too, but does it feel good as a customer to do that or are you souring the experience of buying from you just to earn a few more dollars.

power bricks tend to live longer than devices they accompany so it's only really an issue when you're buying your first one

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Post by zmmmmm »

ColonelPhantom wrote: post #877
zmmmmm wrote: post #799

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What is truly amazing is the M1 Max is 400GB/s. 5 years later and we still only hit 1.5x on memory bandwidth. It's quite fascinating how high Apple spec'd it back then with apparently little foreknowledge of how important memory bandwidth would become, and then conversely how little they've managed to improve it now when it's so obvious how important it is.

The reason for that is that most memory bandwidth bumps come with new memory generations. For example an early DDR4 platform (e.g. Intel Skylake/Core iX-6000) and a late one (e.g. AMD Zen3/Ryzen 5000) only differ by 1.5x as well, typically. The same trend is visible in GPUs: for example, my RTX 2070 (GDDR6) has the same memory bandwidth as a 3070 and only a little bit less than a 4070 (GDDR6X). However, a 5070 does g…

thank you that is great insight to have

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by wslh »

Apple recently released open models. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start shipping increasingly capable models as part of their platform offering. That would fit perfectly with their hardware trajectory.
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