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TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by MrToadMan »

debazel wrote: post #39
xeckr wrote: post #22

Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.

Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc. Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of…

Locking down children’s devices doesn’t stop adults sharing illegal content with other adults though, so there would still be pressure to monitor communications between adults.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by afiori »

Nursie wrote: post #97
shakna wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Age verification obliviates anonymity on the internet. If everything you do, _can_ be tracked by the government, it _will_ be. Allowing for more effective propaganda, electrol control, and lights a fire on the concept of a government _representing_ anyone.

> Age verification obliviates anonymity on the internet. How so? Please explain in detail, because there are already schemes such as "verifiable credentials" which allow people to prove they are of age without handing over ID to online services.

because most implementations are not going to be like that.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by novok »

greybcg wrote: post #109
debazel wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc. Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of…

At the same time, I remember growing up in the internet's wild west and bad encounters weren't an issue for me because of the golden rule I was taught from the start: you don't give your personal information and you don't interact with complete strangers. Learning to navigate the web instead of being in a walled garden was helpful in many ways. The better question to ask ourselves is, does the capability to gather mo…

From what I've seen, the bad effects don't necessarily just come from free access to the internet, but that everyone around them in their social group has a video camera that can covertly record, they're all immature children and thus you cannot slip up once or you get kid cancelled, and they start doing a collective dissociative freeze response in a self-imposed emergent panopticon as a result.

So if the teen phone turned into a restricted "call mom" device with no cameras and with neon yellow obvious fuck you coloring and a restricted set of apps, and police took away a full phone much like they take away cigs and beer it might be enough to break the critical mass to create this issue. They can have dedicated cameras for video club, use the family computer, have an xbox or switch and have whatever tech experience that millenials had, the last generation to not have exponential increases in anxiety , depression and sexlessness.

It's the covert camera + internet that it's the key issue.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by input_sh »

Dban1 wrote: post #86
ranyume wrote: post #20

This might be off-topic but on-topic about child safety... but I'm surprised people are being myopic about age verification. Age verification should be banned, but people ignore that nowadays most widely used online services already ask for your age and act accordingly: twitter, youtube, google in general, any online marketplace. They already got so much data on their users and optimize their algorithms for those gro…

I thought it was common knowledge to just set your birthdate to 1970 or something

You can make it a nice round 2000 these days.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by chinathrow »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #95
dylan604 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As if. If people haven't stopped using TikTok with all of the other reasons for stopping, then because Ellison is damn sure not going to move the needle.

What were the other reasons for stopping?

Curbing addiction?

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by hd4 »

I hate the BBC so much - "controversial privacy tech" "E2EE ... the best way to protect conversations from .. even repressive authorities" "End-to-end encryption has been criticised by governments, police forces"

They're saying this at the same time as they're clutching pearls over Iran's repression of protestors. Typical of the ethical consistency I would expect from them.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by navigate8310 »

g947o wrote: post #15
ronsor wrote: post #6

Why would you use TikTok for private communications anyway? It's mostly a public short video sharing platform.

Says someone who has never sent a message to a friend over DM on TikTok.

Thankfully

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by kristianc »

matricaria wrote: post #71

Since when is E2EE controversial? Not using E2EE should be controversial.

It's never been controversial, it's the BBC. doing it's usual job of laundering the arguments the establishment want you to hear for domestic consumption.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

MrToadMan wrote: post #131
debazel wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc. Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of…

Locking down children’s devices doesn’t stop adults sharing illegal content with other adults though, so there would still be pressure to monitor communications between adults.

I don’t think they’re doing that on TikTok
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