the fight for privacy was lost in the 90s, it's time to move on
I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
#502Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Stop making your kids my problem! This is an interesting point: there is a trade-off between kids being denied access to inappropriate websites and adults not being forced to verify their age. We can't have both, so we must weigh which is more important. One could argue that protecting kids is clearly more important; on the other hand, there are way more adults in the world than kids, so more people are impacted wi…
I saw porn when I was under 18, and I'd wager the majority of people also have going back to the 70s or 80s. We all ended up mostly normal
>> You call this normal?!?
Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
#503I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…
sadly I'm one of those "knowledge worker" that aren't extraordinary enough to survive on my own so I have a job. And everyday when I try to login to my zero trust network my face is being scanned multiple times. And I feel the cold stare from the teenager me lol that dude would not approve such atrocity for sure. daily refresh of biometric data is just downright degrading...
Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
#504Stop making your kids my problem! We have everything to hide. It is called personal identity. All data online managed by companies will always be misused, lost to scammers, blamed back to you for something you never did, and hunt you down.
> Stop making your kids my problem! This is an interesting point: there is a trade-off between kids being denied access to inappropriate websites and adults not being forced to verify their age. We can't have both, so we must weigh which is more important. One could argue that protecting kids is clearly more important; on the other hand, there are way more adults in the world than kids, so more people are impacted wi…
Privacy is way more important than protecting kids from consuming content online. Kids already have more protection than it's worth, probably, this is moving in the wrong direction.
Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
> files especially when it comes to media since iTunes and the iPod in 2001 As a non-Apple user, this is not something that happened to me. I literally have a "Files" app on my Android phone and my laptop/desktop.
Right as an Android user you don’t have a separate photo library where pictures go to? (yes I know this isn’t true). Yes there has been a Files app on iOS devices for well over a decade
> Right as an Android user you don’t have a separate photo library where pictures go to
Yes, which gets autosynced to my immich instance
Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
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Sadly, this still doesn't do anything to show me that I should opt out. I, as an individual, am not going to have any effect on a business if I opt out or not. No business decision is going to be made because I opt out. You might argue that it will matter if enough of us do it. Sure, that is true... but again, it won't matter if I do it or not. If N number of people opting out is enough to ruin the business model, th…
> I do use an ad blocker, and never click on ads. I feel like that action has a bigger return on investment than no clicking the cookie banner. Right, but this is not solely about cookies or blocking ads. You also leave behind data which helps create a profile. AI is mass-creating profiles of everyone. Not everyone will have the same pattern, but information space is finite and they get more and more data about you o…
The future of myself and my son does not depend on nor benefit from my anonymity.
I'm not a revolutionary taking up arms I'm a voter and a citizen in disagreement. Unless I am seen and counted, then being any of those things is worthless as well.
There is no value in hiding from the system while the system goes to hell and attacks everyone else.
Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
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> Ask them how to copy it somewhere else To be fair, at least Android and presumably iOS grant apps by default no access to your files in modern versions. The only way to get, e. G., an attachment downloaded via Thunderbird to a PC or another app is the share dialogue. A user does not access to the isolated app storage by default on an unrooted Android phone. For better or worse the young user is actually making the…
True, it's all abstracted away and you don't even get access, but that's part of the problem. We (the industry) are teaching people that proprietary formats inside of app silos are the only way to store your data, making the default state being no control over your own stuff. Note taking apps are a prime example of this, using a proprietary localdb for notes, inside of app storage you can't access, forcing you to tra…
> We've trained out the idea that these could just be local text files in a directory you can access and do with what you want.
But have you considered that a meaningful number of users actually want functionality that plain text simply can’t provide?
I understand files and file systems, I’ve worked in IT for decades, mostly in open source. I still choose a non plaintext note solution because it delivers capabilities that plain text cannot, especially across devices.
As long as the data can be exported to open formats, why would I voluntarily limit the value and functionality my tools can provide?
Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
#508Earlier quoted context omitted.
whatever man. Everyone in France has an ID. It's no big deal, really.
great argument, the "if you have nothing to hide what's the problem in sharing all your data" type
I think you got me wrong. I was saying in France everyone has a photo id for government stuff. You pay taxes to the government so yeah you need some form of ID just for the government to know who’s paying the taxes. in the US you use social security number. it’s the same, but on a card and with a photo.
Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
#509I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…
People around me (including engineers) all casually use things like Alexa, Google Home, Ring, Nest, Chrome, are always signed into Google, have all sorts of apps installed on their phones, and have no problems giving up their phone numbers to services for verification. It's crazy.
It's almost like not all "technical" people are the same, and in fact have different wants, needs, interests, tolerances and perspectives.
Terrifying.
Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services
#510Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the exact same logic as opting to not go through the hassle of registering to and casting your vote in your national elections (unless that physically isn't an option where you live) -- yes, your government isn't going to make a decision one way or another based on your vote alone. But will you affect the sociopolitical trends by whatever fraction of societal opinion you represent? It may be you don't believe…
Yes, the Paradox of Voting is the exact same situation [1]. My decision to vote is not rational, but I know if all the rational people don't vote that is bad, and so I focus on the other parts of voting, like civic pride and the little sticker that says "I voted" > It may be you don't believe in democracy at all, and that's fair, but consumer action is the only way you can affect business decisions, by joining the de…
> choosing an individually suboptimal option with my wallet hurts me
That may be true, particularly in the short term, but you might be hurting everyone else including yourself in the long term. Opening your wallet sends a signal to the receiving business to keep doing what they're doing, even if we all know it's bad.
There's also a cultural aspect to consider. It's normalized to not think of anything other than cost. That's why we have CAFOs, toxic plastic children's toys, landfills full of junk, etc... Pricing in the destruction might help, but at some point our culture needs to change. Outside of the occasional voting, we're all pretty powerless to enact top-down change like taxes and regulations, but we can all build culture.