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Next is the fps of an AI playing Crysis.
Or tasks per minute of the AI doing your job for you
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#472So is this a minimal upgrade before the M6 Macbook Pros w/ OLED & a redesign later this year? It doesn't even look like they added cellular as an option with their own C1X chip (getting around the licensing / cost issues since it's their own chip now).
Yea, I think it is worth waiting for M6 just for OLED alone.
OLED sounds great, but I am worried about burn in. MacBook screens are a bit more static and on longer than iPads and iPhones.
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#473I chased down what the "4x faster at AI tasks" was measuring: > Testing conducted by Apple in January 2026 using preproduction 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M5, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 4TB SSD, and production 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M4, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 2TB SSD. Time to first token measured with an 8K-to…
So it's not measuring output tokens/s, just how long it takes to start generating tokens. Seems we'll have to wait for independent benchmarks to get useful numbers.
Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max
#474So is this a minimal upgrade before the M6 Macbook Pros w/ OLED & a redesign later this year? It doesn't even look like they added cellular as an option with their own C1X chip (getting around the licensing / cost issues since it's their own chip now).
I wouldn't assume those are coming this year.
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#475Still only 8TB max storage. Ugh!
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#476The question is when Apple Laptops are going to be able to run LLMs with a performance comparable to what the AI companies are offering?
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#477"Scaling up performance from M5 and offering the same breakthrough GPU architecture with a Neural Accelerator in each core, M5 Pro and M5 Max deliver up to 4x faster LLM prompt processing than M4 Pro and M4 Max, and up to 8x AI image generation than M1 Pro and M1 Max." Are they doubling down on local LLMs then? I still think Apple has a huge opportunity in privacy first LLMs but so far I'm not seeing much execution.…
I think its just marketing, and the marketing is working. Look how many people bought Minis and ended up just paying for API calls anyway. (Saw it IRL 2x, see it on reddit openclaw daily) I don't mind it, I open Apple stock. But I'm def not buying into their rebranding of integrated GPU under the guise of Unified Memory.
I think people buying those don't realize requirements to run something as big as Opus, they think those gigabytes of memory on Mac studio/mini is a lot only to find out that its "meh" on context of LLMs. Plus most buy it as a gateway into Apple ecosystem for their Claws, iMessage for example.
> But I'm def not buying into their rebranding of integrated GPU under the guise of Unified Memory.
But it is Unified Memory? Thanks to Intel iGPU term is tainted for a long time.
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#478Earlier quoted context omitted.
14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization seems rather small
For anyone who has been watching Apple since the iPod commercials, Apple really really has grey area in the honesty of their marketing. And not even diehard Apple fanboys deny this. I genuinely feel bad for people who fall for their marketing thinking they will run LLMs. Oh well, I got scammed on runescape as a child when someone said they could trim my armor... Everyone needs to learn.
I don't know that there would be a huge overlap between the people who would fall for this type of marketing and the people who want to run LLMs locally.
There definitely are some who fit into this category, but if they're buying the latest and greatest on a whim then they've likely got money to burn and you probably don't need to feel bad for them.
Reminds me of the saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted".
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#479I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…
I have an M1 Max with 64 GB and an M4 Max with 128 GB and the latter feels noticeably snappier than the former. The latest MacOS release fucked up the M1’s performance. Wish I could downgrade easily. I want off that ride.
I have the M3 Pro (32gb) and an M4 Pro 16" (48gb), and the latter is sufficiently snappier to make me happy I waited to upgrade from my horrible Intel 13" i5 with 16gb. The M1 Pro I used for work a few years ago was great too. I'm not on Tahoe on either computer, thank god.
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#480I wonder if it is good to just get one and run Linux on a VM. Would that work better than an x64? Anybody knows?
Why would you want to do that? Do you like the hardware that much, and also that much more than just an M2 (soon M3) running Asahi? Linux in a VM would work with the usual caveats. Periphery like the built-in webcam most likely won't work. Getting codecs and DRM to run will be pain and you'll be back to use macOS for that quickly (but that's just standard pain of ARM Linux).
Because I don't like MacOS and my understanding is that Asahi has issues with:
* USB-C Displays
* Thunderbolt / USB4
* Touch ID
Touch ID is the least of the problems, but the other two are more serious.