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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I have a fairly maxed out M2 Ultra (24 cores, 192GB RAM), and still cannot get this machine to choke on anything. I have not once felt the need to upgrade in years, and that’s with doing pretty demanding 3D and LLM work.

If there’s anything this past three years has taught me, it’s that modern cpus can performantly do every task except for streaming text over the internet.

I'm pretty sure that's just LLMs tendency to replicate bad React patterns.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I chased down what the "4x faster at AI tasks" was measuring: > Testing conducted by Apple in January 2026 using preproduction 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M5, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 4TB SSD, and production 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M4, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 2TB SSD. Time to first token measured with an 8K-to…

Seems very reasonable to me

A bit strange to use time to first token instead of throughput.

Latency to the first token is not like a web page where first paint already has useful things to show. The first token is "The ", and you'll be very happy it's there in 50ms instead of 200ms... but then what you really want to know is how quickly you'll get the rest of the sentence (throughput)

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I typed “RAM” to search for it and boy they hammer home how lucky I am to be getting 1TB SSD standard, but no mention of RAM anywhere on this page. Anyway, the MacBook Pro starts with 16GB of RAM. It’s $400 to go from 16GB to 32GB. Interestingly, 36-128GB models are showing as “currently unavailable” on the store page, and you can’t even place an order for them right now? But for anyone curious, it’s quoting $5099 fo…

> It’s $400 to go from 16GB to 32GB. No change from the previous models then, 16GB->32GB was already $400. They're cutting into their previously enormous margins to keep the prices stable, rather than hiking the prices to maintain their margins.

They raised the base price by $200.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I feel like Apple pulled an Instant Pot with the M1 MacBook Pro. I still haven't had a single situation where I felt like spending more money would improve my experience. The battery is wearing out a bit, but it started out life with so much runtime that losing a few hours doesn't seem to matter.

Same. It looks like battery replacement from ifixit is not too difficult, so I plan to do that when the time comes.

Incidentally, I just switched to Asahi Linux, but that was for software quality and openness reasons, rather than anything to do with performance.

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"Scaling up performance from M5 and offering the same breakthrough GPU architecture with a Neural Accelerator in each core, M5 Pro and M5 Max deliver up to 4x faster LLM prompt processing than M4 Pro and M4 Max, and up to 8x AI image generation than M1 Pro and M1 Max." Are they doubling down on local LLMs then? I still think Apple has a huge opportunity in privacy first LLMs but so far I'm not seeing much execution.…

We had a workshop 6 months ago and while I've always been sceptical of OpenAI,etc's silly AGI/ASI claims, the investments have shown the way to a lot of new technology and has opened up a genie that won't be put back into the bottle. Now extrapolating in line with how Sun servers around year 2000 cost a fortune and can be emulated by a 5$ VPS today, Apple is seeing that they can maybe grab the local LLM workloads if…

Except CUDA feels really cozy, because like Microsoft, NVidia understands the Developers, Developers, Developers mantra.

People always overlook that CUDA is a polyglot ecosystem, the IDE and graphical debugging experience where one can even single step on GPU code, the libraries ecosystem.

And as of last year, NVidia has started to take Python seriously and now with cuTile based JIT, it is possible to write CUDA kernels in pure Python, not having Python generate C++ code that other tools than ingest.

They are getting ahead of Modular, with Python.

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The RTX 5090 only has 32gb of VRAM. So the tradeoff is NVIDIA is for blazing speed in a tiny memory pool, but Apple Silicon has a larger memory pool at moderate speed.

Or, there's the DGX Spark, which effectively neutralizes both of these trade-offs, and is the same price as the RTX 5090.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I feel like Apple pulled an Instant Pot with the M1 MacBook Pro. I still haven't had a single situation where I felt like spending more money would improve my experience. The battery is wearing out a bit, but it started out life with so much runtime that losing a few hours doesn't seem to matter.

I just bought this model in the past year for $600 and it still feels like a great bargain.

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I feel like the push by devs towards Metal compatibility has been 10x than AMD. I assume that's because the majority of us run MacBooks.

Which majority? I certainly only use Macs when being project assigned, then there are plenty of developers out there whose job has nothing to do with what Apple offers. Also while Metal is a very cool API, I rather play with Vulkan, CUDA and DirectX, as do the large majority of game developers.

Honestly though, gamedevs really are among the biggest Windows stalwarts due to SDK's and older 3d software.

Only groups of developers more tied to Windows that I can think of are probably embedded people tied due to weird hardware SDK's and Windows Active Directory dependent enterprise people.

Outside of that almost everyone hip seems to want a Mac.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Checking Apple's store, I can't find a cheaper configuration than $5100 for the M5 + 128GiB version. Here in Europe, including 21% VAT, that's €6.124,00 ($7.094,35 equivalent). Because of pricing strategies and such, the 128GiB version comes with a 2TiB SSD at minimum, and also requires the M5 Max (not Pro) at its highest configuration. Not sure if this is new, but it should be noted that these laptops don't come wit…

Because your countries mandate no power adapter for some stupid ewaste reason.

They didn't: https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/16/no-the-eu-didnt-ban-apple-fro...

Devices should be offered without a charger. There's no law that states that that should be the default configuration. Nor that the charger should cost extra.

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