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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by rd »

mothballed wrote: post #41
SiempreViernes wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Handing over a phone is certainly cheaper than paying for extra childcare, though most likely much less healthy for the child. I suppose idea is that Chinese women will stay at home with the child so the state doesn't have to provide any help?

More like the state (at least in places like USA) cracked down on children roaming freely so now people hide their kids inside playing video games so a Karen doesn't call CPS when mommy has other things to do all day besides play helicopter parent staring down at their kid all day.

Is there any hard evidence that this is true compared to say 20 years ago. I’ve heard it repeated a million times but no one’s ever provided evidence

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by thewebguyd »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

> It is the young people that are growing up conditioned to press accept

It's really alarming, actually. I run the cyber security training & phishing simulations at my work, and it's the younger employees that struggle the most. It's like they just assume that everything on the web is trustworthy.

It's not hard to see why though. They grew up with app stores & locked down devices. No concept of a file or file system, no concept of software outside of the curated store & webapps. People that never had to take responsibility for their own digital safety because "someone else" (Google, Apple) always did it for them.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by mothballed »

rd wrote: post #61
mothballed wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like the state (at least in places like USA) cracked down on children roaming freely so now people hide their kids inside playing video games so a Karen doesn't call CPS when mommy has other things to do all day besides play helicopter parent staring down at their kid all day.

Is there any hard evidence that this is true compared to say 20 years ago. I’ve heard it repeated a million times but no one’s ever provided evidence

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by cedws »

tiffanyh wrote: post #54

Why does Claude require my phone number. It's honestly a reason why I don't use the service.

Could be worse. OpenAI is asking for ID verification to use Codex 5.3, through Persona, which was just exposed as doing extremely dodgy surveillance stuff.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by numpad0 »

See, I think, you're not supposed to continue using those services as before. They want them all gone, and so-called age verification is a means to chase away users that are less dedicated.

What I think must result is, a monotonic cultural erosion and deprecation of such platforms and regions implementing those restrictions, and continuous replacement with engineered and packaged foreign imports from venues and regions from psychological "upstream" where there aren't such restrictions. But I guess that's what they explicitly desire.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by TingPing »

ge96 wrote: post #59
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

I would go into source, delete the overlay, undo the scroll lock

You can just find adblocker rules for cookie banners.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by shadowgovt »

The most relevant question to answer for your jurisdiction is "What is the penalty for lying?"

If none, you were born on March 5, 1957.

(Note on evaluating this: there are some circumstances where the penalty changes later. I know one person who's Global Access paperwork was delayed because they lied to their airline's frequent flyer program about their age. But that was the whole consequence: a need to update their data with the airline).

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by adithyassekhar »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #29
LoganDark wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to a service that only accepts such data as proof.

Steam thinks I was born Jan 1, 1970. Not that I needed to lie when I did my age verification back 15 years ago, I just randomly scrolled the year down and selected one. As the years have marched on, though, that "birthdate" becomes significantly closer to my real birthday.

> As the years have marched on, though, that "birthdate" becomes significantly closer to my real birthday.

I understand there's a clever phrasing here but I didn't get it. English is only my second language.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by shadowgovt »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

It's been done for about a generation or two, and that's what people don't seem to realize.

In the early aughts I was sitting in on privacy discussions that reluctantly acknowledged that regardless of what we do online, surveys showed you could offer someone at the mall a free Snickers and they'd fill out the whole form.

The perceived cost to the individual of divulging their personal data is near zero; dangling nearly any incentive in front of them will induce them to let it go. And that's not a new phenomenon.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by ambicapter »

bmacho wrote: post #56
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

It's not just cookies, it's explicit consent to track you, and sell your browsing history to ~1500 spy companies around the world. To the sibling comments: don't "accept the cookies" and then delete them. - - - I'm super angry at what the web has become, especially at the OS browser community. There is 0 browser (that I know of) that can access the web safely and conveniently. Atm I use Firefox with uBlock which bloc…

How would you implement ability to arbitrarily block any network connection on any website without giving an extension 100% access?
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