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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by virgildotcodes »

seanalltogether wrote: post #137
manofmanysmiles wrote: post #114

I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

Same, in fact the only reason right now that I would upgrade my m1 pro is if they threaten to change the design by getting rid of the hdmi or sd card slot, or doing something stupid like when they added the touch bar. I was locked into my old intel pro for so long because of all the bad hardware choices they were making.

You may get your wish with all the rumors of a touch screen on the M6 MBPs.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by NetMageSCW »

kilroy123 wrote: post #64
Tangokat wrote: post #5

"Scaling up performance from M5 and offering the same breakthrough GPU architecture with a Neural Accelerator in each core, M5 Pro and M5 Max deliver up to 4x faster LLM prompt processing than M4 Pro and M4 Max, and up to 8x AI image generation than M1 Pro and M1 Max." Are they doubling down on local LLMs then? I still think Apple has a huge opportunity in privacy first LLMs but so far I'm not seeing much execution.…

I've been so disappointed in Apple's lack of execution on this. There is so much potential for fantastic local models to run and intelligently connect to cloud models. I just don't get why they're dropping the ball so much on this.

Because it won’t sell enough hardware to matter to them.

They aren’t dropping the ball, they are being smart and prudent.

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Post by wincy »

detritus wrote: post #212
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insane for the "Pro" to have only 16GB of memory. My 11 year old Intel i3 laptop has 16GB of memory.

Don't these integrated ARM-based SoCs make much better use of RAM as opposed to old Intel-based boards? That's my understanding, anyway.

My wife’s 8GB MacBook Air crashed yesterday with Firefox and Find My open and nothing else because of running out of RAM, so, sort of, but they’re not magic. (Find My was using 3GB of memory!)

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by Hasz »

heurs wrote: post #131

Honest question. Is it possible to install an earlier version of macOS on these machines? Liquid glass looks so.. unprofessional to my eyes. And I hear it's also unstable.

accessibility settings can turn off some (but not all) of the garish animations, transparencies, etc.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by jftuga »

I wonder how this compares to my M4 air with 10 GPU cores and 32 MB of RAM. My system can only run ~14B sized models at any reasonable speed. The accuracy of these sized models can be underwhelming. I am looking forward to a time when it would be nice to run models locally at a reasonable price, at a reasonable speed and with reasonable accuracy. I don't think we are there just yet.

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Post by jacobp100 »

aurareturn wrote: post #4

Whoah, both the Pro and Max CPUs feature 18 cores. This hasn't happened since M1 Pro/Max. This is a surprise. Also, the mix of cores have changed drastically. - 6 "Super cores" - 12 "Performance cores" I'm guessing these are just renamed performance and efficiency cores from previous generations. This is a massive change from the M4 Max: - 12 performance cores - 4 efficiency cores This seems like a downgrade (in core…

I was looking into this. The M5 performance cores can be scaled down to match efficiency cores in performance and power usage.

I believe they lower the clock speed, limit how much work is done in parallel on each core, and limit how aggressive the speculative execution is so less work is wasted.

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Post by kylec »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #203

$5000 laptop you have to pay to add a power adapter… gratuitous penny pinching from Tim Cook's Apple. It's one of those things, yes if I'm spending that much on a laptop I can afford to spend $80 on the adapter too, but does it feel good as a customer to do that or are you souring the experience of buying from you just to earn a few more dollars.

I'm assuming you're in the EU or UK, Apple is required by law to not include a power adapter:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/10/15/eu-gets-what-it-a...

In the US they provide one in the box free of charge.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by mort96 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #203

$5000 laptop you have to pay to add a power adapter… gratuitous penny pinching from Tim Cook's Apple. It's one of those things, yes if I'm spending that much on a laptop I can afford to spend $80 on the adapter too, but does it feel good as a customer to do that or are you souring the experience of buying from you just to earn a few more dollars.

This is one thing I don't really blame Apple for, and I think everyone else will follow suit -- and not just because Apple is doing it.

The EU requires that users must be able to buy a device without a charger. It's a huge supply chain challenge to add two variants of every single SKU, one with a charger and one without. So the obvious solution is to sell the charger separately, since you need that regardless, and always sell the device without a charger. You avoid having two variants of everything that way.

Now, you could maybe argue that Apple should default to bundle a charger with your laptop, so that you'd have to uncheck a "bundle charger" checkbox on their website. But do you really care whether your laptop costs $2200 and you can buy a charger for $60 or your laptop costs $2260 and you can save $60 by removing the charger?

You can make an argument that doing it Apple's way hides a price increase. And yeah, that's probably fair. But it's not like Apple is afraid of non-hidden price increases either.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

mschuster91 wrote: post #125
hu3 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It did change. They bumped $200 on the entire line. So even the 16GB version is more expensive. I'd love to have customers like Apple. Bumps $200: "it didn't change!!!" And no power adapter included.

> And no power adapter included. To be fair, ever since the advent of high power USB-C PD that really, really is not needed any more, way too many power bricks are effectively e-waste. People already have USB-C power bricks and docks everywhere and unlike pre-USB-C generations, you can use them not just across different generations of hardware, but across vendors as well.

I doubt if that many have USB-C high power bricks unless they are upgrading from another USB-C laptop.

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Post by alwillis »

jansan wrote: post #13

The performance numbers are impressive, but I do not get the on-board AI spin. What is it used for?

If you’re working on something sensitive, you may not want to share it with OpenAI or Anthropic.

You can run open source models like Kimi K or Qwen locally. Apple recently updated Xcode 26.3 to support local models.

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