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Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by eklavya »

troupo wrote: post #22
densh wrote: post #13

I might be the only one, but it's still to this date (and dating all the way back to 2014 with the first iMac 5k display) Apple is the only company that truly gets HIDPI desktop displays with high quality gloss and 200+ ppi at screen this large. In the meantime popular and widely sold gaming screens with matte blur filters and mediocre ppi give me headache and eye fatigue after a few hours of use. Prior generation St…

> Apple is the only company that truly gets HIDPI desktop displays with high quality gloss and 200+ ppi at screen this large. And somehow they completely forgot how to seamlessly work with displays in general. Connect multiple displays via Thunderbolt? Nope. Keep layouts when switching displays? No. Running any display at more than 60Hz? No. Remember monitor positions? No.

I was using a dell S3225QC with 120 hz and even variable rate with macbook m1 pro. No hdr with 120 or variable rate though, only at 60.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

desideratum wrote: post #40
desideratum wrote: post #25

It's mind-boggling that Apple is considering the base 27 inch Studio Display with the same 4 year old panel, but with some new accessories slapped on an "upgrade".

Oh, and if you want to utilize 120Hz on the XDR display, you're going to have to replace your perfectly functioning Mac. > Mac models with M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max, M1 Ultra, M2, and M3 support Studio Display XDR at up to 60Hz. All other Studio Display XDR features are supported.

Almost certainly due to bandwidth limitations on older versions of Thunderbolt. Full bit depth HDR 5k @ 120hz requires some absurd data thoughput.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by troupo »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #48
troupo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are other 120Hz displays than Apple's. There are even 240Hz displays. IIRC Apple couldn't get above 60Hz even on third-party displays they explicitly advertised.

I have an Alienware AW2721D and my M series Macs have no problem driving it at 240hz. macOS picks up that it’s a GSync display and supports VRR on it too.

I could never get my two ASUS displays work at anything but 60Hz

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by pfannkuchen »

gbjw wrote: post #42
tiffanyh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't find it either. Which means they don't have a 32" display option if true. Maybe it will also be updated, but on a different day this week?

On the announcement page, they say "Studio Display XDR replaces Pro Display XDR" in the footnotes, so doubtful.

They could be considering the new high end display a different product rather than a refresh (for marketing purposes at least).

I recall the XDR being announced alongside the last Mac Pro redesign. No new Mac Pro yet, so maybe they’ll announce the new large display whenever that is announced?

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by vegardx »

ErneX wrote: post #16

I was hoping for a 6k 32inch model. But even so, these 2 new monitors still don’t support multiple inputs.

I'm also a little bummed that they seem to have dropped the Pro Display XDR. I wanted a 32" display as the main display, and then use my existing two Studio Display vertically as secondary on each side.

I guess we're going to see how the support for DP Alt-Mode will be, as I'm not sure how much bandwidth that can provide, so 120Hz might be out of the question. But for now that has been a simple way to get around the lack of multiple display inputs, you just needed a separate KVM switch for it.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by dawnerd »

jakubadamw wrote: post #38
covercash wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I vaguely recall an Apple rumor from the last few months about 3 new display model numbers, 2 of them being 27" and one of them being 32"... so still possible a Pro Display XDR refresh is on the horizon.

”Studio Display XDR replaces Pro Display XDR and starts at $3,299 (U.S.) and $3,199 (U.S.) for education.”

They'd just call it something else or simply add a new size option for Studio Display XDR like they do Macbooks.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

troupo wrote: post #53
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an Alienware AW2721D and my M series Macs have no problem driving it at 240hz. macOS picks up that it’s a GSync display and supports VRR on it too.

I could never get my two ASUS displays work at anything but 60Hz

My other setup has an ASUS PA278CGV as a secondary monitor and the MBP hooked up to it drives it at 144hz no problem.

Make sure your dock, dongle, and/or cables aren’t bottlenecks.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by kubik369 »

desideratum wrote: post #40
desideratum wrote: post #25

It's mind-boggling that Apple is considering the base 27 inch Studio Display with the same 4 year old panel, but with some new accessories slapped on an "upgrade".

Oh, and if you want to utilize 120Hz on the XDR display, you're going to have to replace your perfectly functioning Mac. > Mac models with M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max, M1 Ultra, M2, and M3 support Studio Display XDR at up to 60Hz. All other Studio Display XDR features are supported.

I don't really see your point. The chips mentioned do not have enough bandwidth on display outputs to support the monitor at 6K@120Hz. If anything, I find it surprising that Apple supports running the display in 60Hz mode instead of telling people to go pound sand and buy new Macs.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by 827a »

> Studio Display XDR replaces Pro Display XDR and starts at $3,299 (U.S.) and $3,199 (U.S.) for education.

My father-in-law is a monitor engineer. He is insanely gifted. We were in a Taiwanese factory together years ago and I asked him what it would cost to build the Pro Display XDR today. I will never forget his answer…

“We can’t, we don’t know how to do it.”

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