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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by jeanlucas »

manofmanysmiles wrote: post #114

I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

Well, I just upgraded from Intel late last year. There are lots of users still on Intel :)

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by AdamN »

arianvanp wrote: post #41
carlmr wrote: post #25

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I've upgraded to Tahoe at 26.2, zero complaints from my side. Haven't had any runaway memory leaks or similar that were reported.

Closing Tabs in Safari till takes more than a second though. And if you hold Cmd-W to close all of them it just completely locks up and crashes. Still not fixed since the release of Safari 26. Literally unusable

Works fine for me. I wonder if you have some extension or script on one of the sites you use slowing down the tab closure.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by fotcorn »

dirk94018 wrote: post #37

On M4 Max 128GB we're seeing ~100 tok/s generation on a 30B parameter model in our from scratch inference engine. Very curious what the "4x faster LLM prompt processing" translates to in practice. Smallish, local 30B-70B inference is genuinely usable territory for real dev workflows, not just demos. Will require staying plugged in though.

The memory bandwith on M4 Max is 546 GB/s, M5 Max is 614GB/s, so not a huge jump.

The new tensor cores, sorry, "Neural Accelerator" only really help with prompt preprocessing aka prefill, and not with token generation. Token generation is memory bound.

Hopefully the Ultra version (if it exists) has a bigger jump in memory bandwidth and maximum RAM.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #92
Hamuko wrote: post #67

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I've tried to use a local LLM on an M4 Pro machine and it's quite painful. Not surprised that people into LLMs would pay for tokens instead of trying to force their poor MacBooks to do it.

What are the other specs and how's your setup look? You need a minimum of 24GB of RAM for it to run 16GB or less models.

This is typically true.

And while it is stupid slow, you can run models of hard drive or swap space. You wouldn’t do it normally, but it can be done to check an answer in one model versus another.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by philistine »

jsheard wrote: post #68
butILoveLife wrote: post #45

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I think its just marketing, and the marketing is working. Look how many people bought Minis and ended up just paying for API calls anyway. (Saw it IRL 2x, see it on reddit openclaw daily) I don't mind it, I open Apple stock. But I'm def not buying into their rebranding of integrated GPU under the guise of Unified Memory.

> Look how many people bought Minis and ended up just paying for API calls anyway. (Saw it IRL 2x, see it on reddit openclaw daily) Aren't the OpenClaw enjoyers buying Mac Minis because it's the cheapest thing which runs macOS, the only platform which can programmatically interface with iMessage and other Apple ecosystem stuff? It has nothing to do with the hardware really. Still, buying a brand new Mac Mini for that…

There are so few used Mac Mini around, those are all gone and what is left is to buy new.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by SirMaster »

zarzavat wrote: post #104
boriskourt wrote: post #3

Nice starting storage bump MacBook Pro with M5 Pro now comes standard with 1TB of storage, while MacBook Pro with M5 Max now comes standard with 2TB. And the 14-inch MacBook Pro with M5 now comes standard with 1TB of storage.

It's not exactly a bump if they raise prices at the same time, though with the RAM situation I'm not mad.

Well 1TB MacBook Pro used to cost $1799, now 1TB is the base model and costs $1699, so it's actually a $100 price drop for 1TB storage.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by [deleted] »

re-thc wrote: post #157
jsheard wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Look how many people bought Minis and ended up just paying for API calls anyway. (Saw it IRL 2x, see it on reddit openclaw daily) Aren't the OpenClaw enjoyers buying Mac Minis because it's the cheapest thing which runs macOS, the only platform which can programmatically interface with iMessage and other Apple ecosystem stuff? It has nothing to do with the hardware really. Still, buying a brand new Mac Mini for that…

> Aren't the OpenClaw enjoyers buying Mac Minis because it's the cheapest thing which runs macOS That's likely only part of the reason. Mac Mini is now "cheap" because everyone exploded in price. RAM and SSD etc have all gone up massively. Not the mention Mac mini is easy out of the box experience.

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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by Someone1234 »

hrmtst93837 wrote: post #115

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You're right a $3600 graphics card is worse than a $2600 laptop; but from my perspectives they're very different products. Not least of all because even at $3600 for a RTX 5090 you still have the whole rest of the computer left to purchase.
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