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Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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Re: Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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Re: Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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Re: Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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It's fascinating to me that Iran was able to develop this nascent drone industry on their own, while under a very aggressive sanctions/embargo system. It reminds me a bit of Soviet Union and how they were able to come up with, essentially, parallel industry with different flavors. How were they able to do this? Presumably PRC and Russia were supporting this industry either directly or indirectly with material and sup…

> Presumably PRC and Russia were supporting this industry either directly

Not during development/early phases, they were created during time where sanctions were somewhat enforced. Debris analysis of earlier models show they were full of western COTs parts, including stripped components, i.e. think RU breaking washing machine for chips. Incidentally they were also fairly expensive, 4 digits, for otherwise a rudimentary - though elegantly simple form factor. At least given sanction constraints and relative to what Iran industrial base can muster at relative scale.

Realistically the BOM for one of these things should be low $1000s if value engineered by competent industrial power like PRC. Who has contract to acquire 1m loitering munitions/drones this/next year. There's have factories that can churn millions of of engines per year, i.e. 10s of 10000s of 1500-2500km fires per day.

Re: Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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Shooting down $40k drones with $4mil interceptors is a problem. Hoping at some point this wake up call is heard. One recent update is that Apache Attack helicopters are being refitted to hunt/kill these types of drones, but the newest Iranian models are flying 300+ mph which is faster than a single rotor helicopter can fly (the leading blade of a helicopter starts to break the sound barrier).

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Re: Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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It's fascinating to me that Iran was able to develop this nascent drone industry on their own, while under a very aggressive sanctions/embargo system. It reminds me a bit of Soviet Union and how they were able to come up with, essentially, parallel industry with different flavors. How were they able to do this? Presumably PRC and Russia were supporting this industry either directly or indirectly with material and sup…

Also, industrial espionage

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/massachusetts-iran-drone...

Re: Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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What corner is there left to be backed into when the the US is trying to assassinate you?

Oh, certainly the surviving leadership are backed into corners, but they are individual people. The nation-state is not backed into a corner. For one thing, the west has refrained from using CBRN weapons on urban centres.

Israel will not tolerate an economically developed or at all democratic Iran. They want Iran to be where Gaza is and Libanon is heading. It's not just the leaders who have nothing to lose.

Re: Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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It's fascinating to me that Iran was able to develop this nascent drone industry on their own, while under a very aggressive sanctions/embargo system. It reminds me a bit of Soviet Union and how they were able to come up with, essentially, parallel industry with different flavors. How were they able to do this? Presumably PRC and Russia were supporting this industry either directly or indirectly with material and sup…

>develop this nascent drone industry on their own

Copies of copies. German 1980s Dornier DAR prototype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_Anti-Radar copied by South African Kendar as ARD-10, bought by Israeli and manufactured as IAI Harpy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Harpy, copied by Iran as Shahed 136

https://chakranewz.com/defence-and-aerospace/drones/copy-pas...

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/first_shahed_136_prototype_wa...

and in 2025 US SpektreWorks copied it as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-cost_Uncrewed_Combat_Attac...

Re: Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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They can't trust Trump. No one can.

> They can't trust Trump I mean, the Germans and Japanese and Iraqis probably couldn’t have trusted the U.S. either. They still surrendered because it was better than fighting a futile war. Same here. Iran’s security chief (and, I’m assuming, de facto leader) messaging he’s ready to concede on those points certainly doesn’t put him in a worse position than he is now.

See the link I posted in the other reply. The people we've elected to lead the US are snakes. Even some of the more fanatical Iranians look sane, intelligent, rational, and trustworthy in comparison.

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> is within reach of Iran's capabilities Analysts have been playing fast and loose with this phrase. Within reach assuming no air defenses and able to be struck are separate. I believe Iran could hit this infrastructure if it were undefended. It’s not practically able to due to air defenses. (Iran already targeted the small Gulf states’ airports. Given how much food they import by air, that’s an attempted blockade st…

Those nations do not have the ability to defend civilian infrastructure - it's the weak point we see in Ukraine. Nobody does. These are large regions, AA coverage is narrow, using F16s to shoot down Shaheds wears down fast. If Iran has stockpiles, and the wherewithal for mission planning, they can steer them around AA and hit the 'back office' at will. Those states also have no practice coordinating the in-between me…

> If Iran has stockpiles

And launchers.

> of those drones can be used to hit Oil Tankers ... if there are enough muntions, it will be bad

Not really. During the Iran-Iraq war hundreds of tankers were sunk, including in the Strait [1]. Iran's supposed 'nuclear' option was mining the Strait. But for whatever reason, they weren't able to or chose not to do that.

> this is going to be an interesting form of attrition on all sides

I'm sceptical of this read. With missiles, the launchers are the weak link. With drones, the factories. In the meantime, the U.S. gets to refine the anti-drone kit it's been working on (based on lessons from Ukraine and the attacks on the Houthis).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanker_war

Re: Iran unleashes Shahed drones aimed at targets across Middle East

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> They can't trust Trump I mean, the Germans and Japanese and Iraqis probably couldn’t have trusted the U.S. either. They still surrendered because it was better than fighting a futile war. Same here. Iran’s security chief (and, I’m assuming, de facto leader) messaging he’s ready to concede on those points certainly doesn’t put him in a worse position than he is now.

See the link I posted in the other reply. The people we've elected to lead the US are snakes. Even some of the more fanatical Iranians look sane, intelligent, rational, and trustworthy in comparison.

Hyperbole aside, that's irrelevant. Iran doesn't have the option of negotiating with someone else. Their options are to attempt diplomacy or face incremental anihilation as a modern state.
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