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Re: Bootstrap 2.2.0 released

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Post by fourstar »

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #24
ericcholis wrote: post #16

Hijacking the thread a bit here. Foundation ( http://foundation.zurb.com ) also released 3.2 on October 26th: http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/changelog.php

It's kind of bad PR for Foundation junkies to try to ride on Bootstrap's coattails every time there's a Bootstrap thread on HN. I get that there's bad blood there, but it really makes the Foundation guys look desperate when you beg for attention like this.

Don't give Bootstrap that much credit. The only reason it got popular is due to riding on the coattails of Twitter. If something is a better project (in which I believe Foundation is having used it and been to a couple Zurb talks), it should absolutely get mentioned.

Also, I'm wondering why you're instigating something occluding to "bad blood". Are you serious? They are CSS frameworks being open sourced. This isn't Apple vs. Samsung.

Funny how you're ridiculing options but it looks like you're new here so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Re: Bootstrap 2.2.0 released

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Post by InclinedPlane »

papsosouid wrote: post #46

I'm mainly a backend guy but do some frontend work from time to time. I keep seeing all this talk about a dozen different CSS "frameworks", and I just don't get it. Can someone explain to me what the purpose of these things is? Bootstrap's site for example doesn't even try to tell me what I would want it for, it just says I want it "because its for nerds" (do I have to dress in faux-nerd chic and live in the valley t…

It's a framework, it simplifies development because you don't have to worry about building up all the little components to improve the look and feel. Instead, you use a design framework like bootstrap so you can quickly bang out an interactive site that looks ok but maybe not great but is still highly functional.

It's a way to build a website in a short amount of time without being held-back by the frankly horrendous design and layout choices that come when you use simplistic html.

P.S. No, you are not expressing "confusion", you are using "confusion" as cover for derision.

Re: Bootstrap 2.2.0 released

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Post by fudged71 »

latchkey wrote: post #99
fudged71 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good pun ;P Click on "View Demo" for the Responsive Modal. Modal appears with content, and disappears immediately when it reaches center of the screen. Same thing happens for Stackable, and Full Width. Click on "View Demo" for AJAX. 'Okay' button doesn't dismiss the modal, as I would expect it to. Same thing happens for Custom Manager.

Weird, I can reproduce it now. It seems to be something with clicking around to various different ones. I'll report it to the author and see if we can get it fixed. Thanks for giving more information. https://github.com/jschr/bootstrap-modal/issues/8

I don't quite know how to use github yet. Thanks.

Re: Bootstrap 2.2.0 released

#104

Post by backbonejstutes »

aubergene wrote: post #44
diminish wrote: post #41

Does Google CDNs host bootstrap, with less or sass similar to the way they do with jquery and some other javascript libraries?

no, but http://cdnjs.com does, although I don't think they have the CSS

we do have the css, just not linked on the home page yet. check out the repo to see the links or http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/twitter-bootstrap/2.1....

Re: Bootstrap 2.2.0 released

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Post by julien_c »

wingerlang wrote: post #7
human_error wrote: post #6

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I really don't understand most people. Why would you ever DDoS a CSS library's website?

Accidental DDoS? For fun (a la 4chan etc.) etc. But yeah I understand what you mean.

If it's accidental, is it really a DDoS? Or a poorly deployed/coded app? :)

Re: Bootstrap 2.2.0 released

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Post by backbonejstutes »

aubergene wrote: post #44
diminish wrote: post #41

Does Google CDNs host bootstrap, with less or sass similar to the way they do with jquery and some other javascript libraries?

no, but http://cdnjs.com does, although I don't think they have the CSS

2.2.1 has just been merged in also

https://github.com/cdnjs/cdnjs/pull/519

Re: Bootstrap 2.2.0 released

#108

Post by pixeloution »

papsosouid wrote: post #80
egonschiele wrote: post #79

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> Grids are fundamentally the exact opposite of good design. As a former designer, I cannot overstress how stupid this sounds. It's the equivalent of a designer walking up to a bunch of programmers and saying "what's the big deal with functions?" Some things are opinion, and some things are just wrong. This is the latter. Here's the longer response: Grids are fundamental to good design. Have you ever wondered why som…

Show me a respected design authority who advocates grids then. "STUPID STUPID STUPID" is not an argument. The fact is, grids tie content to presentation, and are entirely unnecessary. The fact that you think grids is the reason some websites look right and others look wrong is astoundingly ignorant.

Every university visual communications program (graphic design) teaches grids ... for a reason.

    * http://departments.risd.edu/registrar/web/1112cat.pdf (a number of classes focus on grid systems. this is one of the most respected design programs in the country)
    * http://graphicdesigntheory.net/Images/DT/Armstrong_GDTsyllabus.pdf
    * http://pacificgraphicdesign.wordpress.com/courses/graphic-design-ii-2/graphic-design-ii-syllabus/

Re: Bootstrap 2.2.0 released

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Post by papsosouid »

specialist wrote: post #96
jiggy2011 wrote: post #61

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What's wrong with grids? Everything I have read about design seems to advocate laying things out in the fashion. The nice thing about bootstrap is it enables things like having say, 2 columns at the top of the page then 3 columns underneath then finally going to a single column for the footer very easily. Doing these things in manual CSS if you don't know about all the various browser quirks and tricks can be a pain.

Grids are awesome. So awesome in fact, that I created DesignGridLayout, a Java Swing layout manager. Jean Francois Poilpret has been the project owner for years and extended far beyond my original vision. http://designgridlayout.java.net It has a mostly "fluent API", so you just add components and it mostly figures out columns and spanning widths.

I didn't say grids were bad in general, I said they are bad in web design. The problem of tightly coupling content and presentation, and the hiding semantic meaning that goes with it, doesn't exist in a desktop GUI environment, or in a print ad or flyer, etc. Grids are perfectly fine in those uses.

Re: Bootstrap 2.2.0 released

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Post by papsosouid »

tptacek wrote: post #92
papsosouid wrote: post #80

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Show me a respected design authority who advocates grids then. "STUPID STUPID STUPID" is not an argument. The fact is, grids tie content to presentation, and are entirely unnecessary. The fact that you think grids is the reason some websites look right and others look wrong is astoundingly ignorant.

Here you go: http://www.amazon.com/Systems-Graphic-Systeme-Visuele-Gestal...

The fact that I recognize your name solely because you seem to constantly deliberately misrepresent what people say so you can respond with nonsense is rather depressing. That is graphic design, not web design. See how I pointed out that tightly coupling content and presentation is the problem with using grids for web design? Notice how that book never even touches on the subject? Web design is not just graphic design, it is a different medium, with different needs.
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