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Isn’t that a general engineering problem?
Engineering is the process of planning and implementing the simplest thing that works within given constraints. There is no planning, implementing, or constraint here.
That's because most AI use is reverse engineering!
Resolving static into a valid problem through the sheer force of squinting at it long enough!
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Bad take. You can rm -rf your entire hard drive, but you can't blame rm for it, it's you who did it, maybe because you don't know, or a mistake, doesn't matter. When you ask the clanker to delete x number of files in a directory, it can reason itself that is easier to just get rid of the directory. Can't expect deterministic outcomes out of a statistical model. At it's current state its a wildcard, sure you can build…
> When you ask the clanker to delete x number of files in a directory, it can reason itself that is easier to just get rid of the directory. Oh sure, so don't give it write access to anything important. And make backups. Mine is on a VM. It doesn't have access to my host's files. The worst it will do is delete the files on the VM. No great loss. Yes, I do get it to modify things on my host, but only via a REST API I'…
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> Oh sure, so don't give it write access to anything important. And make backups.
If this conversation continues much longer, we’ll end up with “don’t use it at all”.
If I can’t trust a piece of software with anything important, why am I wasting my time fiddling with it? Might as well go play a video game or go do literally anything else entertaining.
This sort of highlights the meaninglessness of GitHub stars? React has been around for over a decade, and in that time pretty significantly impacted web dev paradigms (along with a few other mediums). It’s hard to imagine being a web developer today and not knowing at least some react. OpenClaw has been around for like a few months? And maybe it’s on its way to having that sort of impact? But right now seems to he mo…
It's larger than literally every open source service I thought to use as a benchmark. Rust, React, Vue, Symfony, Laravel, PHP Stan, Python, ESlint, rails, LLVM, Spring, fucking Linux itself.
I would wager the legitimate stars for OpenClaw are single digit percents of this. But hey, I haven't actually run the numbers on the GitHub API.
I keep reading folks saying OpenClaw has completely changed their life while posting a picture of 58 mac minis on their desk. But every single use case I've read so far could be done with a pretty affordable SaaS product, Zapier, Automator (app on a mac that's existed for over a decade), or something simple you could make yourself. It also feels like people are automating things that don't really need to be automated…
How much do you automate things in your life using Zapier and Automator? I know about those tools, and I'm always in the mood for automating thing... and yet I don't use them. I'm not yet running a Claw because of the prompt injection / lethal trifecta risks, but I absolutely understand the appeal. Reducing friction to automating stuff from "figure out Automator again" to "message your bot" is a material difference.
I got OpenClaw to compile Node from source on my old Jetson Nano so that I can run OpenClaw natively instead of using Bun. It took 30 hours but it did it by spinning up a tmux session for the build and using a cron to monitor the tmux pane every hour and even fixing a failure at 5 am which I would have had to find out later had crashed but it had actually found what needed to be changed for the build to continue and…
I'm also curious if it's particularly wise to have a web-facing system running on software that hasn't had a security update in 3 years?
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> When you ask the clanker to delete x number of files in a directory, it can reason itself that is easier to just get rid of the directory. Oh sure, so don't give it write access to anything important. And make backups. Mine is on a VM. It doesn't have access to my host's files. The worst it will do is delete the files on the VM. No great loss. Yes, I do get it to modify things on my host, but only via a REST API I'…
> So ... don't give it write access to your email? > (…) > Oh sure, so don't give it write access to anything important. And make backups. If this conversation continues much longer, we’ll end up with “don’t use it at all”. If I can’t trust a piece of software with anything important, why am I wasting my time fiddling with it? Might as well go play a video game or go do literally anything else entertaining.
Not what I said. As I've repeatedly said in this thread: Plenty of use cases where you don't give it access to email and write access to files. The comment you're replying to has an example of that.
> Might as well go play a video game or go do literally anything else entertaining.
True of most hobbies, right? I knew people who 20 years ago used to spend time in their garage building solar powered vehicles. But if I can't trust it to be reliable and safe on the road, I might as well go play a video game.
Also: Is anyone telling you to use it?
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Patterns i keep seeing: Once you get the dopamine hit of having an ai assistant do something in the real world it becomes an hammer you want to use on everything Instead of being a problem solver you start to become a problem hunter, and you invent them in order to solve them
> Instead of being a problem solver you start to become a problem hunter, and you invent them in order to solve them Generic problem of any Linux newbie. You get good at solving problems and it's so enjoyable so you end up creating more of them.
I got OpenClaw to compile Node from source on my old Jetson Nano so that I can run OpenClaw natively instead of using Bun. It took 30 hours but it did it by spinning up a tmux session for the build and using a cron to monitor the tmux pane every hour and even fixing a failure at 5 am which I would have had to find out later had crashed but it had actually found what needed to be changed for the build to continue and…
What do you mean "run OpenClaw natively", you're just running Node? I'm also curious if it's particularly wise to have a web-facing system running on software that hasn't had a security update in 3 years?
It's weird that most people in these comments are speculating fraud.
Why aren't companies with real money to gain from stars gaming the system to the same degree? Why do the other metrics - issues and pull requests - match up with its popularity? Why would the bots starring the repo mean that those same bots are not popular? Those bots are controlled by their users.
The project is extremely active because this is what everyone being able to customize their computing looks like. A mess.
But it's a good mess.
Github was the old code sharing model clearly not designed for this. I'm sure a new model for code sharing will come to fix the growing pains.
A ton of people who would have never been able to customize their computing experience are finally able to. And it is magical for them.
This means that those same people will finally value having access to source and use of open protocols.
It was always valuable to us because we had the power to make it matter. It never mattered to them because they did not. Now they do.
The last era of computing was defined by dumbing down computing for the masses. Less information, less customizable, and more metric driven. Control in the hands of the companies.
This new era will look more free/libre, more personal, and less enshitified. Control in the hands of the users.
This is a very positive development.
Who are these people? I was skeptical at first and seriously thinking surely not the software engineers out there as we see in HN how risky and wild this is. Then, to my surprise, a coworker came and told me they were running it and happy with that setup. I was baffled, but I work with Gen Z in a pretty niche Gen Alpha market, so I kinda feel like they’re somewhat more likely to go for these things. What’s your exper…
> Who are these people? For example, someone working in safety and alignment at Meta: https://nitter.net/FakePsyho/status/2025857836014538818