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Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
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Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#62Sounds like it's time for GreenPeace USA to follow the chemical industries example - do a corporate reorg, put all the liabilities in specific subsidiary and then declare bankrupacy for that subsidiary.
I assume that is the point of having a Greenpeace USA -- to shield Greenpeace International and other Greenpeace organizations from liability. And it seems to have mostly worked.
Looking at the history ( back in the 1970s )- it appears to be in part the reverse - when Greenpeace USA was created, the original greenpeace, based in Vancouver, had a quarter of a million debt - and there was a bit of a fight over it.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/12/11/TEXT-OMITTED-FROM-SO...
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#63> Greenpeace maintains it only had six employees visit the protest camps, and that all worked for Greenpeace USA, not Greenpeace Fund or Greenpeace International. > The jury found Greenpeace USA liable for almost all claims. how does this happen? did greenepeace just run a bad trial? or lose all public trust?
Or maybe, just maybe, they actually did unreasonably damage the pipeline company's reputation, in a way that is outside the legally-recognized bounds of free speech. Maybe justice actually was done. (Note well: I haven't been following this case closely enough to say. But you should at least consider that as a possibility.)
Does your theory pass the sniff test? How reasonable is it to believe that Greenpeace's "defamation" cost the company hundreds of millions of dollars? Why is $345 the correct three-digit number of millions for the reputation damage Greenpeace caused?
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's already too late. We passed the point of no return. There was a blip where every outlet was saying that the point of no return was like 6 months away than nothing.. We shot right past it.
Strange take. What does that mean? Give up because we can’t do anything - “it’s already too late”? So burn all the oil because YOLO? Or maybe those people drawing hard lines in the sand were exaggerating to drive urgency and get attention? Sometimes people whose stated goals you agree with say and do things which are wrong.
It’s too late. Look at the science.
Also I never mentioned just give up. I just said it’s already too late. That’s reality. What you do next is your choice. But don’t put words in my mouth.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
They specifically weren't found liable for on the ground activity, so the fact that only six employees were on the ground seems like a bit of a red herring. > how does this happen? did greenepeace just run a bad trial? or lose all public trust? Alternative possibility: they were actually guilty. Seems likely. The idea that Greenpeace was intentionally spreading misinformation doesn't require a big leap of faith.
Unlike oil companies who would of course never do such a thing.
They sure do. They've also been sued for it, too, because it's bad. It's also bad for Greenpeace to do it.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#66It would be very easy for an energy company to make hundreds of thousands of donations through "private supporters" to Greenpeace so as to cause problems for their competitors without liability, including defamation, and violent protests. They could be profiting by encouraging angry kids to go ruin their lives, and there would be no consequences for the executives behind it all. In fact, if this were actually happeni…
That's a hell of a cynnical conspiracy but then again, people like Jill Stein exist.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#67Sounds like it's time for GreenPeace USA to follow the chemical industries example - do a corporate reorg, put all the liabilities in specific subsidiary and then declare bankrupacy for that subsidiary.
That’s specifically illegal under bankruptcy law. It’s called fraudulent transfer.
Yet large companies appear to get away with it all the time - for example the so called Texas two step.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_two-step_bankruptcy
In my view the best way to get this sort of stuff banned is to start using it yourself.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#68> Greenpeace maintains it only had six employees visit the protest camps, and that all worked for Greenpeace USA, not Greenpeace Fund or Greenpeace International. > The jury found Greenpeace USA liable for almost all claims. how does this happen? did greenepeace just run a bad trial? or lose all public trust?
> Greenpeace USA, not Greenpeace Fund or Greenpeace International
Why is something like this allowed to exist... Stacking entities and funneling wealth around in the guise of a noble cause.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
They specifically weren't found liable for on the ground activity, so the fact that only six employees were on the ground seems like a bit of a red herring. > how does this happen? did greenepeace just run a bad trial? or lose all public trust? Alternative possibility: they were actually guilty. Seems likely. The idea that Greenpeace was intentionally spreading misinformation doesn't require a big leap of faith.
> They specifically weren't found liable for on the ground activity, so the fact that only six employees were on the ground seems like a bit of a red herring. I think that's not what the article is saying, although I read it that way too at first. Greenpeace USA, the organization whose six employees were on the ground, was found liable for "almost all claims"; it's only Greenpeace International and Greenpeace Fund, t…
Ah, good catch. I misread.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#70So they almost certainly are guilty, but the damages seem exorbitant