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Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Post by DrBazza »

foolfoolz wrote: post #3

> Greenpeace maintains it only had six employees visit the protest camps, and that all worked for Greenpeace USA, not Greenpeace Fund or Greenpeace International. > The jury found Greenpeace USA liable for almost all claims. how does this happen? did greenepeace just run a bad trial? or lose all public trust?

The claims were for defamation and incitement:

> A Morton County jury on Wednesday ordered Greenpeace to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the developer of the Dakota Access Pipeline, finding that the environmental group incited illegal behavior by anti-pipeline protesters and defamed the company.

> The nine-person jury delivered a verdict in favor of Energy Transfer on most counts, awarding more than $660 million in damages to Energy Transfer and Dakota Access LLC.

It seems like the jury did its job on the evidence presented.

Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Post by shrubby »

foolfoolz wrote: post #3

> Greenpeace maintains it only had six employees visit the protest camps, and that all worked for Greenpeace USA, not Greenpeace Fund or Greenpeace International. > The jury found Greenpeace USA liable for almost all claims. how does this happen? did greenepeace just run a bad trial? or lose all public trust?

SLAPP as in Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation.

To keep the dissenting voices quiet and to scare other groups from protesting.

Modus operandi for many industries.

Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Post by threethirtytwo »

hermannj314 wrote: post #10

If you are going to break the law under capitalism, you must do it sustainably. Facebook, Apple, et al have shown that the latency of judicial pipeline usually means a billion dollar in fines comes after several billion in profits. You profit from the lag between the crime and the consequence. I don't think social justice has that same profit pipeline, but I am not sure. There is an asymmetry in the type of evil our…

>There is an asymmetry in the type of evil our society allows.

Makes sense. Because society is evil, therefore our society allows evil.

Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Post by ceejayoz »

DrBazza wrote: post #11
foolfoolz wrote: post #3

> Greenpeace maintains it only had six employees visit the protest camps, and that all worked for Greenpeace USA, not Greenpeace Fund or Greenpeace International. > The jury found Greenpeace USA liable for almost all claims. how does this happen? did greenepeace just run a bad trial? or lose all public trust?

The claims were for defamation and incitement: > A Morton County jury on Wednesday ordered Greenpeace to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the developer of the Dakota Access Pipeline, finding that the environmental group incited illegal behavior by anti-pipeline protesters and defamed the company. > The nine-person jury delivered a verdict in favor of Energy Transfer on most counts, awarding more than $660 milli…

Rough jury pool. 75.36% for Trump in the latest election, and one presumes a lot of energy sector employment.

Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Post by DrBazza »

oofbey wrote: post #8

I think climate change is a massive and real problem. And that we need to wean ourselves off fossil fuels quickly. But I would actually be very happy to see Greenpeace fold as a result of this. I think they’ve been on the wrong side of many important issues, including this one. I think Greenpeace did as much as anybody to turn the world against nuclear power in the late 20th century. And this clearly set us in the wr…

> I think Greenpeace did as much as anybody to turn the world against nuclear power in the late 20th century. And this clearly set us in the wrong direction as far as reducing reliance on fossil fuels.

I don't have much time for Greenpeace. Much of their activism has never been science based, and usually involves criminal acts against property. History will not be kind to them.

Their only highlight is 'saving' the whales. For a while.

Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Post by beambot »

hermannj314 wrote: post #10

If you are going to break the law under capitalism, you must do it sustainably. Facebook, Apple, et al have shown that the latency of judicial pipeline usually means a billion dollar in fines comes after several billion in profits. You profit from the lag between the crime and the consequence. I don't think social justice has that same profit pipeline, but I am not sure. There is an asymmetry in the type of evil our…

They just need to do what oil & gas (and other "dirty" industries) do to avoid reputcussions: form lots of shell companies to shield the parent. It becomes a hydra of corporations kinda like terrorist cells.

Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Post by unixuser7104 »

As one of the few developers based in North Dakota, I was NOT expecting to see ND at the top of hacker news this morning.

I lived very close to the protests. I won't comment on the politics but, 2016-2017 was very impactful on the community here.

Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Post by DrBazza »

ceejayoz wrote: post #15
DrBazza wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claims were for defamation and incitement: > A Morton County jury on Wednesday ordered Greenpeace to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the developer of the Dakota Access Pipeline, finding that the environmental group incited illegal behavior by anti-pipeline protesters and defamed the company. > The nine-person jury delivered a verdict in favor of Energy Transfer on most counts, awarding more than $660 milli…

Rough jury pool. 75.36% for Trump in the latest election, and one presumes a lot of energy sector employment.

Maybe? The judge, and the lawyers involved have the right to reject jurors that might prejudice a trail.

Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case

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Post by threethirtytwo »

oofbey wrote: post #8

I think climate change is a massive and real problem. And that we need to wean ourselves off fossil fuels quickly. But I would actually be very happy to see Greenpeace fold as a result of this. I think they’ve been on the wrong side of many important issues, including this one. I think Greenpeace did as much as anybody to turn the world against nuclear power in the late 20th century. And this clearly set us in the wr…

It's already too late. We passed the point of no return. There was a blip where every outlet was saying that the point of no return was like 6 months away than nothing.. We shot right past it.
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