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Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

podgietaru wrote: post #93

I invested in this. I am quite sick of the attitudes of some of the big american phone players. This is coming from someone who has for the longest time been invested in Apple and the Apple Ecosystem. I adored the ease of integration of everything. The amazing synergy between their designers, and their engineers. I never really minded that things came later to the Apple Ecosystem. It just worked. And it was great. Bu…

Tons of non-Apple phones support NFC payments, unless you're specifically referring to Jolla.

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Post by mariusor »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #63
ggus wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand it's the opposite, an android compatibility thing layered on top of a linux base.

It's both; the one I mentioned is for system drivers, the one you're talking about is for running applications (which you can also do on a regular non-Halium GNU/Linux using e.g. Waydroid).

I'm sure that if you tell Jolla about a relatively modern mobile SOC with mainline linux support, they'll look into it instead of relying on libhybris.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by mariusor »

akrakesh wrote: post #97

Reduce it to the size of iPhone 5 and make the main camera flush with the surface, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

The size has been decided based on a poll within the community. I also wish it was smaller, but the majority has decided...

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by podgietaru »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #121
podgietaru wrote: post #93

I invested in this. I am quite sick of the attitudes of some of the big american phone players. This is coming from someone who has for the longest time been invested in Apple and the Apple Ecosystem. I adored the ease of integration of everything. The amazing synergy between their designers, and their engineers. I never really minded that things came later to the Apple Ecosystem. It just worked. And it was great. Bu…

Tons of non-Apple phones support NFC payments, unless you're specifically referring to Jolla.

Sure, but they’re android and I don’t necessarily consider google better

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by podgietaru »

DHolzer wrote: post #98
podgietaru wrote: post #93

I invested in this. I am quite sick of the attitudes of some of the big american phone players. This is coming from someone who has for the longest time been invested in Apple and the Apple Ecosystem. I adored the ease of integration of everything. The amazing synergy between their designers, and their engineers. I never really minded that things came later to the Apple Ecosystem. It just worked. And it was great. Bu…

another adhd guy here. I haven't tried it, so i can't vouch for it to any degree of certainty, but maybe it's an option to have your main payment card in a sleeve inside your phone case? Even if it works, it's only a drop in the bucket, but maybe that's enough if you consider the lack of NFC payment a major issue. thank you for pushing for an alternative to android and apple

That’s actually the plan going forward - right now I actually have a MagSafe wallet - and that does help a little bit.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by 0_____0 »

dev0p wrote: post #23

I mean 600+ euros is kind of a steep price, doubt I'll ever consider buying one because of that alone. Also, as an italian, Jolla reminds me a lot of the word "Ciolla", which you can only guess what it's a slang for. That doesn't help.

Low quantity electronics like this have that problem. 600€ makes sense. The fact that you can buy a phone for much less than that, or a car for 15,000€ is a testament to what is possible at scale... When I saw single thousands quantities mentioned on the linked page I went "oh no..."

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by joe_mamba »

pjmlp wrote: post #114
joe_mamba wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing the point to argue in bad faith. The point was the even if a drunk driver hadn't run over Nokia, they'd still be dead from the Android and iOS onslaught, doesn't matter who ran over their corpse after that. A judge won't make you a murderer for running over a corpse, just a drunk driver, this is such a weird hill to die on. BTW, we're still waiting on the Nokia insider details you were mentioning befor…

I won't spill any beans, some stuff is easy to find online, the other I usually keep my NDAs. Nokia is still pretty much around, and owns where UNIX was born in case you missed that part of history. While we had issues, the burning memo platform was the killer for the third party developer ecosystem, just coming around the hill to move from classical Symbian into Qt/PIPS, in a UNIX culture, to be told to go Windows.

Hold on a second, let's backtrack. First you say you can "tell stories about the factory rampdowns", then when pressed to tell those stories you say you can't "because of NDAs" .... from 20 years ago on a business that's now defunct ... not sure how any of that would be enforceable today, leading me to believe you're either chasing clout for upvotes, or bs-ing. But OK, sure, let's ignore all that for now and move to the next point.

Secondly, you keep bringing up Stephen Elop's "burning memo" several times in this thread as the root cause of Nokia's failure, but when i use my google-fu to go back to the world of 2011, I see that Symbian had fallen to 31% market share from 44% the previous year and Maemo/Meego had a People say this was the wrong solution, but nobody ever says what the right solution was. Maybe because they don't have a better solution, and burning it was the only right one. So you're probably looking at the unsalvageable past through rose tinted glasses.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by mariusor »

Markoff wrote: post #5

huge notch and huge bottom bezel with mediocre Mediatek Dimensity 7100, all this for 650EUR with specs worse than 200EUR phones, that's like 450EUR for software, a bit high surcharge...

It's always surprising to see this type of comments on HN. Jolla is not Apple, they barely scrunged 10K orders for this phone, they can't afford the economy of scale that other mainstream vendors can.
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