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Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

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Re: Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

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post #7

The Mondrian estate... don't get me started on that one.

Surely the issue is estates (in this sense) in general. Did anyone in the estate actually know the guy whose legacy they're supposed to be protecting?

How does paying money to Mondrian's great great great great grandchildren enhance society?

Re: Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

#32
post #31
post #7

The Mondrian estate... don't get me started on that one.

Surely the issue is estates (in this sense) in general. Did anyone in the estate actually know the guy whose legacy they're supposed to be protecting? How does paying money to Mondrian's great great great great grandchildren enhance society?

See also: Ravel.

Re: Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

#33
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IP is next to impossible to appraise, unlike land. It’s pretty easy to ballpark what a lot of house or office building is worth based on comparables that sold recently. IP doesn’t sell that much and comparisons are harder.

This is actually a solved problem. It is self-assessed valuation with compulsory sale at declared value, known as the Harberger Tax.

This is only a solution if you think it's fair to have a regular ownership tax on top of the tax paid when purchasing / selling something.

Re: Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

#35
post #19
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Up to death" would provide a perverse incentive for people to kill creators in order to liberate something from copyright.

Maybe 100 years after birth instead.

That’s a disincentive to authors in their later years if it’s a straight rule.

We’d need something like a minimum of 20 years or up to their 100th birthday or something.

Re: Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

#36
post #34

Archive link: https://archive.ph/GxEPr

Sadly archive[dot]ph uses its site to perform a DDoS against a blogger they don't like, and are manipulating pages. They've been dropped by Wikipedia.

There is also this version:

https://web.archive.org/web/20260301183248/https://copyright...

Re: Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's rather incongruous that you register intellectual property for very little - and have states enforcing your rights for free - while a piece of land pays property taxes.

The state isn’t enforcing your rights for free - you still have to hire a lawyer and pay legal expenses yourself. The state is just providing the infrastructure where you are allowed to make a claim, if you choose to do so. This is like complaining that businesses get to use roads for free - ignoring that we all pay taxes already and built this infrastructure for enabling exactly that purpose.

Copyright infringement in the United States has both civil and criminal elements at law.

Re: Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

#38
We GIVE creators copyright to serve us by encouraging CREATION.

Mondrian died decades ago. He is not creating any more. Copyright of his works is not serving us any more.

Copyright should have ended when the balance between encouraging his creation and encouraging others to create based on his works was reached. i.e. About 5 years after he made the piece.

Fuck the copyright parasites whining about this.

Re: Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually a solved problem. It is self-assessed valuation with compulsory sale at declared value, known as the Harberger Tax.

This is only a solution if you think it's fair to have a regular ownership tax on top of the tax paid when purchasing / selling something.

It's a solution to the problem raised by the GP - how to fairly value IP.

This whole thread is about how many countries with land taxes don't similarly tax other assets like IP. Whether you think it's fair or not is another question - the blocker isn't fair valuation.

Re: Mondrian Entered the Public Domain. The Estate Disagrees

#40
post #2

As always, copyright is a supressor of creativity, not an enabler. Copyright terms should be 10-20 years max, or up to death of an author. Even current regime is ridiculous.

Almost all works make all their money in the first five years after creation.

5 years is therefore a very reasonable copyright term limit, that will benefit almost all creators and benefit - not penalise - the society that lets them have copyright in the first place, i.e. us.

Fuck the copyright cartels.

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