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Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by pjmlp »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #84
pjmlp wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dislike the board that brought Elop in, and promised him a bonus if he managed to sell Nokia Mobiles business unit, and they were also the ones that decided to off-shore factories and R&D into Eastern Europe and India.

Unfortunately Nokia was doomed because it was too slow and bureaucratic and could not adapt to the iPhone... Contrast with Samsung that managed to quickly churn out iphone "clones" and to iterate quickly.

Sure, if you miss the whole Bada OS failure, and Tizen for that matter.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by pjmlp »

joe_mamba wrote: post #99
actionfromafar wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but still, the driver was very intoxicated and ran over the guy, then put the car in reverse and ran over the guy again .

What does the driver matter if the guy was already dead?

I bet a judge would disagree on the inocence of the driver in such scenario.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by latexr »

theshrike79 wrote: post #86
dev0p wrote: post #23

I mean 600+ euros is kind of a steep price, doubt I'll ever consider buying one because of that alone. Also, as an italian, Jolla reminds me a lot of the word "Ciolla", which you can only guess what it's a slang for. That doesn't help.

Italians were also the reason Moana was renamed Vaiana in Europe :D

Maybe it played a part in Italy:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/11/16/disney-renamed-...

But it wouldn’t justify other countries. Apparently it’s a trademark thing:

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=04d0b34d-efdb...

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by craftkiller »

johanvts wrote: post #96
thih9 wrote: post #90

> User configurable physical Privacy Switch - turn off your microphone, bluetooth, Android apps, or whatever you wish The "whatever you wish" seems to indicate that this is a regular switch that can be configured to turn off certain functionality. Is that true? I was hoping for a solution that physically disconnects the microphone/cameras/etc, or at least acts at some lower level than the OS. But if it's flexible and…

It could do both, but it does say “or whatever”, not “and”.

How would you have a user-configurable switch that physically disconnects things? The mechanism for that sounds complex. I'm not a hardware person, but I imagine you'd need to route the traces for each possible component to the switch and then have like a dip switch panel to control which behaviors are controlled by the switch. Either that or a software-controlled equivalent to a dip switch panel that can only be configured in the bootloader, otherwise the software-controlled physical disconnect would be no safer than a software disconnect.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by storus »

mrweasel wrote: post #42
Markoff wrote: post #5

huge notch and huge bottom bezel with mediocre Mediatek Dimensity 7100, all this for 650EUR with specs worse than 200EUR phones, that's like 450EUR for software, a bit high surcharge...

The notch is a bit silly, given that you have the bezel at the bottom, but I guess it could be ergonomics. I believe the phone is designed around feedback for customers/potential customers. Which tells me that other people have very different phone usage from my own. I would have asked for a much smaller phone and a €200 price tag. The processor and even a shitty camera doesn't really bother me. I just want a cheap p…

There is a huge supply chain surplus of notch displays as nobody wants them so I guess they decided that "real open source" folks don't care about design and bought them for pennies.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by joe_mamba »

pjmlp wrote: post #102
joe_mamba wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the driver matter if the guy was already dead?

I bet a judge would disagree on the inocence of the driver in such scenario.

You're missing the point to argue in bad faith. The point was the even if a drunk driver hadn't run over Nokia, they'd still be dead from the Android and iOS onslaught, doesn't matter who ran over their corpse after that. A judge won't make you a murderer for running over a corpse, just a drunk driver, this is such a weird hill to die on.

BTW, we're still waiting on the Nokia insider details you were mentioning before.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

craftkiller wrote: post #104
johanvts wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could do both, but it does say “or whatever”, not “and”.

How would you have a user-configurable switch that physically disconnects things? The mechanism for that sounds complex. I'm not a hardware person, but I imagine you'd need to route the traces for each possible component to the switch and then have like a dip switch panel to control which behaviors are controlled by the switch. Either that or a software-controlled equivalent to a dip switch panel that can only be con…

As soon as it is sufficiently complex, it becomes a "trust me bro" switch.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by mahrain »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #79
wolvesechoes wrote: post #76

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You're correct but even more it is a Chinese platform with a Chinese cellular stack that runs linux and on top of all that the apps software is Finnish (so "European"). It is a very misleading title, indeed. Edit: Sorry you got flagged to death. You should not post blasphemous comments ;)

Mediatek is a taiwanese company and the Dimensity 7100 platform includes the cellular stack.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by Zigurd »

pjmlp wrote: post #16

Nokia N900 was really great, Jolla has some of the former team people. I only jumped into Android after my Symbian phone died, and by then Symbian Belle, with QT and PIPS (PIPS Is POSIX on Symbian OS), it was already shapping great. That Burning Memo was really a downer.

"Burning the boats," in the form of getting rid of Jolla (and whatever happened to Meego) is one of those management aphorisms that needs to die. As it turns out, having an alternative to Windows phone would've been a better decision. No guarantee of success, but less of an irrecoverable failure at least. Where is that Elop guy now?
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