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Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative
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Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's what you get when you have no phone manufacturing supply chains anymore because you shipped them all to China 20+ years ago then lost the OS wars to Apple and Google leaving you with no local phone industry. Then it's gonna cost you through the nose when you're making, what are now to your industry, niche low volume items. Remember when you could buy EU made Nokias, Siemens and Ericssons? Even the chargers were…
As ex-Nokia, I can tell quite a few stories about the rampdown in Germany, of factories and R&D sites, merge with Siemens and what not. For those that care, search the news for strikes or layoffs, around the time iOS/Android were taking off.
>As ex-Nokia, I can tell quite a few stories about the rampdown in Germany, of factories and R&D sites, merge with Siemens and what not.
Well please go on, spill the tea, don't leave us hanging. This would be very interesting to hear.
>For those that care, search the news for strikes or layoffs, around the time iOS/Android were taking off.
Well, according to my google-fu, the factory closures from Finland and germany were relocated to Hungary and Romania, so still EU, therefore the EU could have maintained a domestic phone manufacturing sector in its lowest cost countries as well, if they had kept those fabs and not close them down as well to move everything to china.
Everything about this screams of corporate greed and mismanagement on Nokia's part, way before Microsoft entered the picture.
Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative
#73What does full-stack mean here? Phone is fully produced in Europe? Software and online storage fully provided by European company? edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch. Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.
When I first read the headline I thought all hardware components are European as well. Seems like it's referring to the software stack only.
Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative
#74What's the sandboxing & app permissions story like on Sailfish OS? Is it just ordinary Linux, i.e. apps can basically do anything?
They use a custom-made Firejail-based solution called SailJail: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailjail
Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative
#75I noticed that the orders hasn't bumped up that much since this was shared last time. Not really sure I see the growth here is showing a lot of demand for a European smartphone - although I could totally be wrong given the geopolitical situation.
The preorder did hit 10k, this is the normal order screen
If they were smart they would show those number here. It's like walking past an empty restaurant.
Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative
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> First, it is not European alternative - it is Finnish. _Europe_ is not a single country.
What are you talking about?
Is there a law of nature that you can only refer to origins in terms of countries.
A Finnish alternative is, nyt extension, a European alternative.
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It all starts with open formats, open data and open apis. Unless this is somehow guaranteed by law for interaction with public entities, it's going to be hard for any FOSS projects or independent apps/developers.
Without that, we have a situation where almost every bank tries to shove their stupid android app in your face so they can more easily track you. They also force you to their authentication mechanisms, instead of using already working ones. There are no APIs that are usable, only if you have $$$$$. They'll just ignore you if you're a regular client and want to download your data automatically via a reasonable mechanism, etc.
If only banks can write apps and have closed API, they will
Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative
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You're correct but even more it is a Chinese platform with a Chinese cellular stack that runs linux and on top of all that the apps software is Finnish (so "European").
It is a very misleading title, indeed.
Edit: Sorry you got flagged to death. You should not post blasphemous comments ;)
Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative
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It all starts with open formats, open data and open apis. Unless this is somehow guaranteed by law for interaction with public entities, it's going to be hard for any FOSS projects or independent apps/developers. Without that, we have a situation where almost every bank tries to shove their stupid android app in your face so they can more easily track you. They also force you to their authentication mechanisms, inste…
Support for open formats and data is also question of policy.