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I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by hirako2000 »

simianwords wrote: post #81
monooso wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to contrast this take with the opinions expressed on an earlier thread about OpenAI's moat (or lack thereof). Several people pointed to Google Search as an example of "user count as moat", and an explanation of its continued dominance despite a results page dominated by "sponsored" results. Presumably the same reasoning would apply here.

Assuming chatgpt has moat, what kind of moat would apply that it is so crucial that it won't allow people to move away from it?

OP's point is the same can be said about Google (search).

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by samiv »

Nevermark wrote: post #43
nickk81 wrote: post #2

We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

> We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → [ Surveillance → Psychological Manipulation/Addiction → "Personalized" ] ads everywhere. The incentives will be: 1. Get people psychologically dependent in any way possible. 2. Incentivize any "creators" that help with #1. Pose as "content neutral", while actually funding and pumping any content that creates "engageme…

Sad but true.

You also forgot to elaborate on the later company life cycle where the MBAs take over and only serve themselves and the Wall Street.

Product and product development is a cost center that is cut away to bare minimum skeleton crew. Customers are an inconvenience and only exist for the company to extract maximum benefit from while offering the minimum.

Actual product support is killed, and instead user supported forums are promoted. Useful idiots do the work unpaid for a mere digital badge.

Any new product feature that actually gets developed is not for the users but for the company. Features that make it through are either more data extraction, ads, surveillance or a dark pattern to try to trick the user for more money.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by grumbel »

api wrote: post #73
nickk81 wrote: post #2

We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

Is this avoidable? These things cost money to run. Who pays if not with ads? There will I’m sure be the ability to pay and not have ads just like there is on streaming platforms, podcasts, etc. Or should there be tax supported free AI?

> Is this avoidable?

Instead of interacting with the cloud model directly, run a simple local model to interact with the cloud model and have it filter out all the ads before they reach you.

This is already what the chatbots do when it comes to interacting with rest of the Web, instead of you visiting websites yourself, they collect the information from the websites for you and present it in a format of your choice without the websites ads.

I don't see the ad model working out for chatbots in the long run given that those AI models already are the perfect ad filter.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by 0_____0 »

api wrote: post #107
Muhammad523 wrote: post #93

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If you run the models locally, you can avoid ads. There are some apps out there on githup that allow to run ai models on android phones.

Sure. But then you are paying via hardware. Good models require a beefy machine. Wouldn’t be surprised to see paid downloadable models in the future either.

Yeah, I think we get spoiled by the big name models. I have tried running models that fit in RAM on my machine, and aside from being very slow, they're just a bit... brain damaged

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by WarmWash »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #110
WarmWash wrote: post #84

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This take is prevalent but not really true. You can subsidize the cost of a full subscription by having ads. I know that society at large is mostly hopeless, but here on HN we generally have the mental firepower to comprehend "It's a sliding payment scale from no ads to all ads" Edit: You guys are welcome to be upset by this, but if you think it's wrong, please correct me. Ideally without using the one counter exampl…

No, if a company gets enough leverage the top plan will demand both payment and ads. We've seen it before and we'll see it again.

Examples would be the best way to prove me wrong.

Most (all?) streaming services offer an ad-free plan, and those are the most popular hybrid payment services by far.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by simianwords »

hirako2000 wrote: post #111
simianwords wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming chatgpt has moat, what kind of moat would apply that it is so crucial that it won't allow people to move away from it?

OP's point is the same can be said about Google (search).

the value add of google search is just not that high that people are willing to pay for it.

whereas its different for llm's. same as for youtube, netflix and spotify.

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