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I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by tempodox »

nickk81 wrote: post #21
nickk81 wrote: post #2

We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

Wow, #1 post on HN right now... First time ever for me.

Next step will be that OpenAI hires you because you share their vision for the future. See that you file the patents first.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by zulban »

simianwords wrote: post #65

It’s strange to see extreme amount of hysteria on this. There’s enough market competition to not allow this. If ChatGPT is doing it then just move to Claude. If all are doing it then surely opensource models are a good alternative. But i think leaning into the hysteria provides some comfort

That's not how enshittification, vendor lock in, and network effects work. You're participating in the collective delusion that we have perfect market competition.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by Muhammad523 »

api wrote: post #73
nickk81 wrote: post #2

We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

Is this avoidable? These things cost money to run. Who pays if not with ads? There will I’m sure be the ability to pay and not have ads just like there is on streaming platforms, podcasts, etc. Or should there be tax supported free AI?

If you run the models locally, you can avoid ads. There are some apps out there on githup that allow to run ai models on android phones.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by sidewndr46 »

smilespray wrote: post #78
aduty wrote: post #28

You forgot the part where they charge you to get rid of the ads but then the ads come back anyway so you're paying to be the product.

YouTube Premium Lite! You know, with ads. That you pay to watch.

Amazon prime! A paid service with advertisements for the original content no one wants to watch.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by simianwords »

zulban wrote: post #92
simianwords wrote: post #65

It’s strange to see extreme amount of hysteria on this. There’s enough market competition to not allow this. If ChatGPT is doing it then just move to Claude. If all are doing it then surely opensource models are a good alternative. But i think leaning into the hysteria provides some comfort

That's not how enshittification, vendor lock in, and network effects work. You're participating in the collective delusion that we have perfect market competition.

explain the dynamics of how enshittification would work here?

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by lqstuart »

friendzis wrote: post #52
nickk81 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I think so too. But I wanted to show this very OBVIOUSLY in an instant. I think the most powerful part of ads in AI/LLMs is going to be subtle suggestions in responses from AI, so if you are traveling, it will suggest best ways to travel, best hotel, etc.

> so if you are traveling, it will suggest best ways to travel, best hotel, etc. The scary part: they are already doing that. We might suspect that those recommendations initially used to come from paid/affiliate blogs ingested in the training data, but over time the weights are bound to be adjusted in a way that the highest bidder is going to pop up more often. There is no way to know - from the outside at least - w…

This isn’t how deep learning works. You can’t just “adjust weights” for some random user/product.

I feel like even otherwise intelligent people these days think these chatbots are Westworld-like programmable AIs and not pieces of shit that barely run or work. There is no tech monolith that’s getting advanced and gaining new capabilities. There are some very smart people who have switched from building ad recommenders or autonomous vehicles to building KV caches and reinforcement learning systems, and then in a different department there are the same people who built ads systems at whatever big tech company that will build the same shit at OAI etc.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by zulban »

simianwords wrote: post #95
zulban wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how enshittification, vendor lock in, and network effects work. You're participating in the collective delusion that we have perfect market competition.

explain the dynamics of how enshittification would work here?

You won't get good answers asking to be spoonfed on a random discussion forum by strangers. If you're truly curious, look it up, maybe read a book by Cory Doctorow.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by jrtz4 »

simianwords wrote: post #65

It’s strange to see extreme amount of hysteria on this. There’s enough market competition to not allow this. If ChatGPT is doing it then just move to Claude. If all are doing it then surely opensource models are a good alternative. But i think leaning into the hysteria provides some comfort

While it isn't a perfect comparison, streaming platforms that have ad-subsidized subscriptions with ads (as the name suggests) certainly haven't been driven out by market competition.

I believe hysteria in this case is healthy, so we can end up with something closer the still fairly reasonable implementation of the streaming platforms, instead of the example here.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by onion2k »

If this is what AI ends up as it'll be fine. Those ads are easy to detect and block. The danger is if the ads are far less intrusive, so an advertiser bidding on which hosting company to use would be the only result mentioned in the text, or the examples are all pointing to one player, or worst of all, examples for more than one but only the bidder's examples actually work properly. An ad-nerfed AI could be made to hallucinate non-working example code for anyone that isn't paying. Done subtly that could shift marketshare from an incumbent to a new service very quickly.

We've seen this happen on Google's results pages. Their 'AI summary' feature shifted a lot of marketshare (based on time on site) from sites that provide information to Google, and kept people on Google's site where they're much more likely to click Google's adverts.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by simianwords »

zulban wrote: post #97
simianwords wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

explain the dynamics of how enshittification would work here?

You won't get good answers asking to be spoonfed on a random discussion forum by strangers. If you're truly curious, look it up, maybe read a book by Cory Doctorow.

he's a charlatan
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