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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by kgwxd »

nerdyadventurer wrote: post #323
apexalpha wrote: post #211

While I have no love for the Iranian regime I fear this will end up like the 'liberation' of Iraq: A massive power vacuum in an unstable Islamic regime. What even is the plan here if the air assault fails? Boots on the ground? In Iran?

> While I have no love for the Iranian regime Who say US is not regime? It is the world largest regime in the world, with bidders in every country to do their bidding, mass surveillance including their own country men. People blame only Russia, China, Iran etc when US have been doing the same for years. Watch: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w6_2Ul3Ght8

> Who say US is not regime?

Unless they edited, not GP. 2 things can be a regime at the same time.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by simonh »

londons_explore wrote: post #919
papaver-somnamb wrote: post #328

I recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted…

> North Korea developed nukes without being invaded This one always interested me. I assume they were given a lot of the tech from China, and China probably told diplomats that if NK is invaded China might get involved.

The Soviet Union helped them build some research reactors, but they got the weapon tech from Pakistan.

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Post by Rover222 »

coffinbirth wrote: post #494

> Iranian media now report 40 killed and 48 students injured following the strike on a girls’ elementary school in Minab, as rescue and recovery efforts continue. Congrats America!

congrats on parroting the propaganda of the Iranian regime

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

broadsidepicnic wrote: post #908

I think I should refrain from commenting political posts, but this one has a possibility of being something major. However, looking at how the US president has abused power, silenced those who are against the draft dodging crybaby and his league of human trafficking millionaires, I feel this is yet another try to move focus from US domestic probs to something else. I see no honesty or greater reason for this attack o…

It will easily be a victory for him. He's smarter that non-maga give him credit for. Bomb Iran with overwhelming force & it will be a media victory. That doesn't mean that it's right or wrong or that there won't be consequences. But, in the short term it will be a political win. Democrats are already taking the bait and saying that they are outraged that the supreme leader was whacked w/out congressional approval.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by Rover222 »

broadsidepicnic wrote: post #915
Rover222 wrote: post #622

Iranians are celebrating, btw. This is what they have been dreaming of. This is their chance to finally take their country back, and I think they'll do it. I can't think of a better use of US military power in the world than to take out this terrible regime and let the Iranians do the rest. This isn't Iraq or Venezuela. People saying that we can't bomb our way into regime change apparently didn't follow the protests…

Taking their country? Unlikely. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but if 89,95M of 90M people are just looking at from the sides for years, I'm still not seeing that this would motivate people to revolt. Same thing as with the young elephant growing up with the chains.

Did you just totally miss the millions of people protesting the other month or what?

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Post by sethev »

papaver-somnamb wrote: post #328

I recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted…

>Contained conflagration, short targeted exchanges, probability of contamination low, material possibility of nuclear escalation.

That's describing something that's not a world war, though. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is already far worse than what you're describing as WW3. (setting aside nuclear escalation)

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Post by qwrfg »

coffinbirth wrote: post #178

At this point, no country in the world will ever again 'make a deal' with the US, because while pretending to negotiate with you they try to ram a knife into your back.

My friend, that's been SOP from the beginning [1]. The question you have to ask is whether the US actually respects the other parties to the agreement.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_United_States_trea...

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Post by intalentive »

viking123 wrote: post #236
apexalpha wrote: post #211

While I have no love for the Iranian regime I fear this will end up like the 'liberation' of Iraq: A massive power vacuum in an unstable Islamic regime. What even is the plan here if the air assault fails? Boots on the ground? In Iran?

The place has 90 million people, how do you even deal with this without throwing the whole place into chaos? Besides, after this the collective west has no moral high-ground anymore, the global south will resent us more than ever. If other countries go to aggressive wars, our condemnation is worthless. Trump is completely compromised and it was probably the powers that be who told them that this is how it is going to…

Chaos could be the point. That is the Libya model.

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Post by andrepd »

rambojohnson wrote: post #712
Arun2009 wrote: post #426

I am just befuddled by how much of this violence is directly motivated by religious concerns, both on the side of Iran and on the side of Israel and USA. I have been reading on the topic of shunyata or emptiness in Mahayana Buddhism, and have been uncomfortably observing just how much of the artifacts we take to be real and substantial in the world are just "made up". They don't have an inherent reality of their own…

You’re mistaking the packaging for the product. Religion is the language leaders use. Power, territory, oil corridors, regional dominance, and domestic political survival are what they’re actually fighting over. Tehran isn’t calculating missile ranges based on sutras. Washington doesn’t position carrier groups because of metaphysics. Israel’s security doctrine isn’t a meditation retreat. Spiritual narratives make cle…

On the contrary, you're mistaking the means with the ends. Yes the regimes and their leaders think about oil corridors and regional proxies. Yes probably a chunk of the apparatchiks don't believe in the spiel and just care about enriching themselves off of corruption and so forth.

But religion, and not pure materialism, is absolutely at the center of the motivation of these people, the leaders and the population alike. It's not just, as you say, a sham that the leaders use to control and mobilise the masses. Religious fanaticism is at the source of the actions and the very existence of the Islamic Republic. Just as religious fanaticism is at the heart of the worst excesses of Zionism and the at-worst-genocidal, at-best-apartheid policies of Israel. It's not just materialism! It's not just prosaic greed! These people are moved by a holy fervour.

Like, this is the central mistake of Marxism, for all its merits in analysing the "capitalist mode of production", it is absolutely false that material conditions and class struggle are the engine of history.

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