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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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#111

I wonder how old the rest of the commentators are. I watched the Shock and Awe campaign. I watched Saddam fall. I remember thinking this is great. Years later, I understand it was a complete folly. Removing Saddam in itself was good but what it did the wider region was not good.

Yes, whether these strikes are a good idea in general depends on whether they make life better for the regular people of Iran imo.

That said, fuck Khamenei.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

#112

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There would likely be millions of Americans celebrating the murder of their current president, should that happen. It doesn't mean it's reasonable, right, just, or civilized, nor would it indicate that it was a unanimously supported action.

Exactly. This is just western media trying to project some morality to what was an internationally illegal act ... (and perhaps some in the media hoping against hope this publicity would please the dear, glorious leaders of Israel and the US to end the war).

International Law doesn't really exist.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

#113

If true, and given how easy it seemed decapitate the regime I can't see another Ayatollah taking over, hopefully the people take over and institute a real secular democracy based on capitalism.

Without proper support and a huge nation building effort, the same fate as Lebanon, Syria, Lybia Iraq, Afghanistan is the more likely outcome after this evil dictator is gone.

Assassination doesn’t remove the system or rewrite the balance of power, nor does it reconstitute civil society.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

#114

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They're not going to have a normal country. The United States under Trump isn't interested in a democratic Iran. They want a dictator they can control.

I think you’re right that it would be a puppet state under trump. But in three years it will be a puppet state under somebody else! And maybe that somebody would relinquish the strings.

Haha.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

#116

If the United States truly supported regime change there should be a clear next leader favored to succeed the Ayatollah, otherwise this feels more like a favor to oil companies, raising prices temporarily, and a sound bite for political gain, without a care of what happens to the country later. Simply toppling a government seems quite risky without further planning. Just expecting "good" people to fill the leadership…

Obviously has nothing to do with oil companies or oil, this is a war on behalf of Israel. Netanyahu visited Trump 6 times in the past year. Prominent Zionists and Israelis inside the US have been agitating for the US to do this for years, especially since Trump took office last year.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

#118
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America and Israel are lawless countries. Can you imagine other countries assassinating a foreign head of state and not getting immediate blowback?

You can't see the french or Russians doing the same thing in Africa? Because I sure can. There's be some hand wringing and posturing but that's about it.

Not that it's ok for the US, or anyone else to do it.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

#119
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At some point you have to decide: if my country is held back by a brutal dictatorial regime where civilians can't hope to topple it, is there anything else to do other than get external help?

Maybe speak to some Libyans. Or Iraqis. Or Syrians?

Short term pain for long term gain.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. This is just western media trying to project some morality to what was an internationally illegal act ... (and perhaps some in the media hoping against hope this publicity would please the dear, glorious leaders of Israel and the US to end the war).

International law being thrown around a lot. Seems like everyone is an int’l law expert, even though it’s quite an exotic speciality. So please go ahead and tell me, where does International Law prohibit a state that’s at war with another to assassinate its head of state?

Preventive war (attacking to neutralize a future, non-imminent threat) is considered illegal under modern international law. The UN Charter restricts the use of force to UN Security Council authorization or self-defense against an actual, imminent armed attack, making preventive actions, which target potential future dangers, unlawful.
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