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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by upmind »

dmos62 wrote: post #210
komali2 wrote: post #198

Ever since the ICE stuff I've been desperate to find a way to not pay my taxes - even if it means donating 2, 3x, hell 4x my tax bill to somewhere else. Obviously it's basically impossible to do this (especially if your income is all self employment income) outside of just spending every penny you earn on something that could be viably considered a business expense. So I'm wondering if I should just straight up stop…

If you're willing to go through all this trouble, why not just become politically active? Don't underestimate what a motivated individual can do. All these public figures (or institutions) swaying the country back and forth are only people too.

I would rather vote for a person from hackernews than any other politician right now tbh...

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by halflife »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #241
Simon_ORourke wrote: post #237

Are all our foreign policy decisions now made in Tel Aviv to suit Israel?

Sure seems that way. I don't really see how this military action is justified from a US perspective. Or even from an Israeli one. The most likely justification is that the leadership of the US and Israel are a little bit unhinged and want a war to distract from domestic issues.

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Post by jjtwixman »

bettercallsalad wrote: post #162

What an utter betrayal of no war by DJT. This is the final straw. Era of Trump is dead, we are back to neoconservative era. I guess Adelsons are too hard to say no to.

Fell For It Again one-hundred-time world champions.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by ccppurcell »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #241
Simon_ORourke wrote: post #237

Are all our foreign policy decisions now made in Tel Aviv to suit Israel?

Sure seems that way. I don't really see how this military action is justified from a US perspective. Or even from an Israeli one. The most likely justification is that the leadership of the US and Israel are a little bit unhinged and want a war to distract from domestic issues.

Not only is it unjustified, attacking during a negotiation seriously undermines future negotiations. This is a massive self face punching exercise.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by halflife »

apexalpha wrote: post #211

While I have no love for the Iranian regime I fear this will end up like the 'liberation' of Iraq: A massive power vacuum in an unstable Islamic regime. What even is the plan here if the air assault fails? Boots on the ground? In Iran?

So replacing a fascist with western antagonism and constant threat on American allies, with a somewhat democratic, weak, and western aligned government?

Sounds like a good idea

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Post by citrin_ru »

apexalpha wrote: post #211

While I have no love for the Iranian regime I fear this will end up like the 'liberation' of Iraq: A massive power vacuum in an unstable Islamic regime. What even is the plan here if the air assault fails? Boots on the ground? In Iran?

I don’t think it’s possible to change regime without boots on the ground which is not currently considered. So there will be no power vacuum, at most Iran military will be weaken. It’s not a big win for the US but would allow Trump to safe face after his demands were essentially rejected.

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Post by graemep »

apexalpha wrote: post #211

While I have no love for the Iranian regime I fear this will end up like the 'liberation' of Iraq: A massive power vacuum in an unstable Islamic regime. What even is the plan here if the air assault fails? Boots on the ground? In Iran?

Iraq was not an Islamic regime in the same sense. It was not a theocracy. There were non Muslims in senior political positions.

The Iraqi government was a lot more stable.

What exactly do you imagine will replace the Iranian government that is worse?

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