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Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by flyingjoe »

siquick wrote: post #163
winternewt wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you don't want to buy a Mac? A 80 GB NVidia GPU costs $10,000K (equivalent to 30 years of ChatGPT Plus subscription) and will probably be obsolete in 5-7 years anyway. What are my options if I want a decent coding agent at a reasonable price?

Rent a H100 on Modal which scales down to zero when not in use - you can set the time out period. Cold boot times are around 5m but if your usage periods are predictable it can work out ok. Works out at $2 an hour. Still far more expensive than a ChatGPT sub.

Do you have some reference on what setup you're talking about? I'd like to integrate it into my IDE (cursor/vscode) - are there docs on such a setup?

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by krenerd »

segmondy wrote: post #196
winternewt wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you don't want to buy a Mac? A 80 GB NVidia GPU costs $10,000K (equivalent to 30 years of ChatGPT Plus subscription) and will probably be obsolete in 5-7 years anyway. What are my options if I want a decent coding agent at a reasonable price?

GPUs are not going obsolete anytime soon. the nvidia p40/p100 launched in 2016, 10 years ago and is popular in the local space. My first set of GPUs were a bunch of P40s from 3 years ago for $150 a piece. They at one point went up all the way to $450, but price is now down to $200 range. I think I have gotten my value from those and I suspect I'll still have them crunching out tokens for at least 3 more years. They s…

Indeed, the point is that it's going for 150$

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by mcv »

segmondy wrote: post #76

This is a good time to promote running your own models. I have been running my own models locally and I would wager a local model will meet 85-95% of your needs if you really learn to use it. These models have gotten great. For anyone wanting to get into this, the smartest models to run recently that is consumer friendly was just released, checkout Qwen3.5 the 27B and 35B variants. They are small and I recommend runn…

I've noticed that running models locally is not necessarily easy. I'm currently trying to use Stable Diffusion with Flux2 klein 4b fp4 (because I have a normal GPU and not a specialised setup), and I can't get it to produce anything other than uneven blue.

I haven't tried pure text models, but 27B sounds painful for my system.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by magicalhippo »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #102
segmondy wrote: post #76

This is a good time to promote running your own models. I have been running my own models locally and I would wager a local model will meet 85-95% of your needs if you really learn to use it. These models have gotten great. For anyone wanting to get into this, the smartest models to run recently that is consumer friendly was just released, checkout Qwen3.5 the 27B and 35B variants. They are small and I recommend runn…

Isn't between Q4-Q6 the usual recommendation for quants? Can you explain the Q8 recommendation, as I was under the impression that if you can run a model at Q8, you should probably run a bigger model in Q4 instead

There are no hard rules regarding quants, except less is better.

However models respond very differently, and there are tricks you can do like limiting quantization of certain layers. Some models can genrally behave fine down into sub-Q4 territory, while others don't do well below Q8 at all. And then you have the way it was quantized on top of that.

So either find some actual benchmarks, which can be rare, or you just have to try.

As an example, Unsloth recently released some benchmarks[1] which showed Qwen3.5 35B tolerating quantization very well, except for a few layers which was very sensitive.

edit: Unsloth has a page detailing their updated quantization method here[2], which was just submitted[3].

[1]: https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/qwen3.5/gguf-benchmarks

[2]: https://unsloth.ai/docs/basics/unsloth-dynamic-2.0-ggufs

[3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47192505

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by crocowhile »

Frankly this is a very easy choice. Unless you need to make images, Claude wins over chatgpt on every realm. For writing and coding there is no match. It's one of those times where you can do the right thing and get the better product.

I was one of the early paying adopter of chatgpt but when Claude came around I switched and never looked back. I've been on the max plan for a while.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by Keyframe »

winternewt wrote: post #138
segmondy wrote: post #76

This is a good time to promote running your own models. I have been running my own models locally and I would wager a local model will meet 85-95% of your needs if you really learn to use it. These models have gotten great. For anyone wanting to get into this, the smartest models to run recently that is consumer friendly was just released, checkout Qwen3.5 the 27B and 35B variants. They are small and I recommend runn…

And if you don't want to buy a Mac? A 80 GB NVidia GPU costs $10,000K (equivalent to 30 years of ChatGPT Plus subscription) and will probably be obsolete in 5-7 years anyway. What are my options if I want a decent coding agent at a reasonable price?

What are my options if I want a decent coding agent at a reasonable price?

I'd even come from another angle.. What are my options if I want a decent coding agent, on the level of what Claude does at any given price? Let's say few tens of thousands of dollars? I've had a limited look at what's available to be run locally and nothing is on par.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by zepearl »

winternewt wrote: post #138
segmondy wrote: post #76

This is a good time to promote running your own models. I have been running my own models locally and I would wager a local model will meet 85-95% of your needs if you really learn to use it. These models have gotten great. For anyone wanting to get into this, the smartest models to run recently that is consumer friendly was just released, checkout Qwen3.5 the 27B and 35B variants. They are small and I recommend runn…

And if you don't want to buy a Mac? A 80 GB NVidia GPU costs $10,000K (equivalent to 30 years of ChatGPT Plus subscription) and will probably be obsolete in 5-7 years anyway. What are my options if I want a decent coding agent at a reasonable price?

I downloaded Ollama ( https://github.com/ollama/ollama/releases ) and experimented with a few Qwen models ( https://huggingface.co/Qwen/collections ).

My performance when using an RTX 5070 12GiB VRAM, Ryzen 7 9700X 8 cores CPU, 32GiB DDR5 6000MT (2 sticks):

  - "qwen2.5:7b": ~128 tokens/second (this model fits 100% in the VRAM).
  - "qwen2.5:32b": ~4.6 tokens/second.
  - "qwen3:30b-a3b": ~42 tokens/second (this is a MoE model with multiple specialized "brains") (this uses all 12GiB VRAM + 9GiB system RAM, but the GPU usage during tests is only ~25%).
  - qwen3.5:35b-a3b: ~17 tokens/second, but it's highly unstable and crashes -> currently not usable for me.
So currently my sweet spot is "qwen3:30b-a3b" - even if the model doesn't completely fit on the GPU it's still fast enough. "qwen3.5" was disappointing so far, but maybe things will change in the future (maybe Ollama needs some special optimizations for the 3.5-series?).

I would therefore deduce that the most important thing is the amount of VRAM and that performance would be similar even when using an older GPU (e.g. an RTX 3060 with as well 12GiB RAM)?

Performance without a GPU, tested by using a Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores CPU, 128GiB DDR4 3200 MT:

  - "qwen2.5:7b": ~9 tokens/second
  - "qwen3:32b": ~2 tokens/second
  - "qwen3:30b-a3b": ~16 tokens/second

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by Keyframe »

atwrk wrote: post #156
winternewt wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you don't want to buy a Mac? A 80 GB NVidia GPU costs $10,000K (equivalent to 30 years of ChatGPT Plus subscription) and will probably be obsolete in 5-7 years anyway. What are my options if I want a decent coding agent at a reasonable price?

A Strix Halo with 128GB unified memory is less than $2k and the more suitable alternative to a mac. I'm pretty happy with my device (Bosgame M5).

A Strix Halo with 128GB unified memory is less than $2k

Where did you get that price? Wherever I looked it's around 3k euros which is around $3.5k

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by siquick »

flyingjoe wrote: post #201
siquick wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rent a H100 on Modal which scales down to zero when not in use - you can set the time out period. Cold boot times are around 5m but if your usage periods are predictable it can work out ok. Works out at $2 an hour. Still far more expensive than a ChatGPT sub.

Do you have some reference on what setup you're talking about? I'd like to integrate it into my IDE (cursor/vscode) - are there docs on such a setup?

Start here

https://modal.com/docs/examples/vllm_inference

or give this a go

https://modal.com/docs/examples/opencode_server

You get $30 free credits each month on Modal which is enough to play around (i have no affiliation, just think they run a great service)

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by blueblisters »

OpenAI has ~50M paying subscribers driving >$10B in revenue.

You would probably need at least ~1M subscribers to cancel to make this painful.

Probably needs more attention outside of tech circles for that to happen but I suspect this will get drowned out in the face of other stuff.

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