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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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I was discussing this with a friend today. It just feels like there's no point to these actions. Not in the sense of "I don't ideologically agree with our decision to do this," but in the sense of, "I do not see how this accomplishes any ideological or practical goal." What are they trying for? Regime change in Iran? No more Iranian nuclear program? There barely was one before. Keeping Israel safe? It's been an open…

> What are they trying for? Regime change in Iran?

Seems like it. I can't imagine what else they might try for.

I suppose USA might think some shock and awe will result in iran making concessions at the bargaining table, but that seems unrealistic to me.

> No more Iranian nuclear program? There barely was one before.

That seems very debatable.

> Keeping Israel safe? It's been an open secret for years that Iran is not a real threat to Israel, because any action it took against Israel would be existential for Iran and its leadership.

Well they did take action against israel (you could say they were indirectly responsible for oct 7). Now they are facing said existential threat.

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Ultimately though. Iran has been a major threat to both israeli and US interests, largely by funding proxy groups that take violent action against those interests. That's your motive for a war.

Iran is currently weak, facing multiple internal and eexternal crisises.

A war is happening because there is a limited window where iran is weak but the window potentially won't remain. That's the reason behind a lot of wars in history.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

#142

Iran is a lesson to all: as soon as Israel or the US take a disliking to you you have to rush for nuclear weapons. Iran has been the grown up in the room for well over a decade at this stage and it didn't matter one bit. You cannot appease Israel or the US because that don't want to be appeased, they want to bomb Iran into a lawless wasteland. They could have switched to a secular liberal democracy and it'd make no d…

Iran makes the drones that russia uses to attack Ukraine every day. Iran makes the rockets Houthis use to attack ships. Iran provides rockets andgunding to Hezbollah and Hamas. Iran is a terrorist state.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Regardless of how it ends, and it can go both ways, we're witnessing history here. This feels like a much bigger development than Russia-Ukraine. Iran is a major partner for Russia and China, mostly for military technology and oil. Hope it's not a start of WW3.

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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What are that pizza place google statistics?

Those spiked like 50x in the past 4 months. Doesn't seem to mean anything.

The only time it didn't spike was for the Venezuela Maduro operation.

At this point, the pizza index is another vector of (dis)information managed by the Pentagon.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Can any Iran simps explain why the regime couldn't just agree to zero enrichment and cease its weekly ritual of organized mobs chanting: > DEATH TO AMERICA in the streets like blood-thirsty lunatics, something for which there was no equivalent in the US even after 9/11 (mobs chanting "Death to Muslims/Islam"), let alone doing so with governmental encouragement as happens in Iran? Do they not realize how many American…

No one dares to attack North Korea because they have nukes. Ayatollahs surely want the same but didn’t have enough time/resources.

Current stance on negotiations is a miscalculation IMHO, they likely wanted for negotiations to drag on for a long time.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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post #94

Can any Iran simps explain why the regime couldn't just agree to zero enrichment and cease its weekly ritual of organized mobs chanting: > DEATH TO AMERICA in the streets like blood-thirsty lunatics, something for which there was no equivalent in the US even after 9/11 (mobs chanting "Death to Muslims/Islam"), let alone doing so with governmental encouragement as happens in Iran? Do they not realize how many American…

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Remember when we bombed Iran at Fordow? It happened less than a year ago. Iran sent some perfunctory retaliation, and everyone forgot the whole affair. Same with this. Nothing ever happens.

idk about that, telling people to get ready for body bags does not sound like the hands-off fireworks show of previous episodes.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Regardless of how it ends, and it can go both ways, we're witnessing history here. This feels like a much bigger development than Russia-Ukraine. Iran is a major partner for Russia and China, mostly for military technology and oil. Hope it's not a start of WW3.

Putin said it himself, there are over 2 million russians in Israel - they will not participate

Russian Speakers* a lot of them are from previous Soviet republics like Georgia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Belarus and Ukraine

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

#150

Regardless of how it ends, and it can go both ways, we're witnessing history here. This feels like a much bigger development than Russia-Ukraine. Iran is a major partner for Russia and China, mostly for military technology and oil. Hope it's not a start of WW3.

Depends how you count “big”. Russia-Ukraine has had about 1 million deaths, and has completely changed how Europe thinks about security- it’s hardly a sideshow. Then again, not much territory has changed hands and there has been no regime change yet.
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