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Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by busko »

ddxv wrote: post #62
busko wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoted because you were genuinely asking a question and don't deserve to be down voted for that.

Thanks, but I guess I understand the sentiment. I probably should have not said that I couldn't think of "a single thing of value" when that is a bit of a judgement along with my question. Anyways, it is interesting hearing what people ask it, I think I've only ever used it like a search engine / bug fixing while it seems some people have much deeper conversations or discussions that are worth remembering.

I'm glad I upvoted. Your perspective and questions are valid, no matter the depth of conversation. You'd be surprised what fresh questions can do for a topic.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by bjackman »

unmole wrote: post #98
segmondy wrote: post #76

This is a good time to promote running your own models. I have been running my own models locally and I would wager a local model will meet 85-95% of your needs if you really learn to use it. These models have gotten great. For anyone wanting to get into this, the smartest models to run recently that is consumer friendly was just released, checkout Qwen3.5 the 27B and 35B variants. They are small and I recommend runn…

The big AI labs are almost certainly selling inference below cost and burning mountains of money. With the insane increase in hardware prices, running models locally just doesn’t make any financial sense.

Nobody is saying it makes "financial sense", it's about control.

I have always taken plenty of care to try and avoid becoming dependent on big tech for my lifestyle. Succeeded in some areas failed in others.

But now AI is a part of so many things I do and I'm concerned about it. I'm dependent on Android but I know with a bit of focus I have a clear route to escape it. Ditto with GMail. But I don't actually know what I'd do tomorrow if Gemini stopped serving my needs.

I think for those of us that _can_ afford the hardware it is probably a good investment to start learning and exploring.

One particular thing I'm concerned about is that right now I use AI exclusively through the clients Google picked for me, coz it makes financial sense. (You don't seem to get free bubble money if you buy tokens via API billing, only consumer accounts). This makes me a bit of a sheep and it feels bad. There's so much innovation happening and basically I only benefit from it in the ways Google chooses.

(Admittedly I don't need local models to fix that particular issue, maybe I should just start paying the actual cost for tokens).

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by ddtaylor »

thejazzman wrote: post #60
ddtaylor wrote: post #54

Story time! I actually cancelled my ChatGPT subscription in late 2024 and documented the process, kind of as a social media thing because it had gotten so bad and I realized nobody in my family was using it anymore. I asked my wife if she was getting any use out of it and she told me she had been using Gemini and Grok for months because "GPT is very lazy now". After a while another charge came in for the subscription…

Your credibility is shot when you claim that banks will just give you money. They absolutely do not. In fact, Discover has admitted to me in writing, that they always rule in favor of the Merchant if that Merchant responds to the dispute -- regardless of what their response says. I've dealt with multiple chargebacks over the years and have only ever lost once -- when the Manager at Lowes' showed a check they wrote me…

Wells Fargo, Chase, Capitol One, many others practice this provisional credit system, which functions very similar to an insurance.

Go read your banks terms and you'll find the provision. Do you want me to read your banks terms for you and point them out?

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

segmondy wrote: post #76

This is a good time to promote running your own models. I have been running my own models locally and I would wager a local model will meet 85-95% of your needs if you really learn to use it. These models have gotten great. For anyone wanting to get into this, the smartest models to run recently that is consumer friendly was just released, checkout Qwen3.5 the 27B and 35B variants. They are small and I recommend runn…

For non-Mac users:

A laptop with an iGPU and loads of system RAM has the advantage of being able to use system ram in addition to VRAM to load models (assuming your gpu driver supports it, which most do afaik), so load up as much system RAM as you can. The downside is, the system RAM is less fast than dedicated GDDR5. These GPUs would be Radeon 890M and Intel Arc (previous generations are still decently good, if that's more affordable for you).

A laptop with a discrete GPU will not be able to load models as large directly to GPU, but with layer offloading and a quantized MoE model, you can still get quite fast performance with modern low-to-medium-sized models.

Do not get less than 32GB RAM for any machine, and max out the iGPU machine's RAM. Also try to get a bigass NVMe drive as you will likely be downloading a lot of big models, and should be using a VM with Docker containers, so all that adds up to steal away quite a bit of drive space.

Final thought: before you spend thousands on a machine, consider that there are at least a dozen companies that provide non-Anthropic/non-OpenAI models in the cloud, many of which are dirt cheap because of how fast and good open weights are now. Do the math before you purchase a machine; unless you are doing 24/7/365 inference, the cloud is fastly more cost effective.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by tombert »

alt227 wrote: post #118
tombert wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He posted like seven hours ago about these principles and changed them like twenty minutes after the president had a temper tantrum about Anthropic. Whether or not he agrees with my principles isn’t the issue. He doesn’t even agree with his own stated principles. He posted his stipulations about AI models used by the department of defense to presumably get social credit, and then changed his mind over the course of a…

You can judge his actions all you like, but unless you know the man and sit down and discuss it with him everything you are saying is just speculation and opinion. That is fine, just realise that.

Umm, no shit? This isn’t actually saying anything. I am saying that his stated principles are inconsistent with his actions.

Yes, sure, maybe deep down on his heart of hearts he actually is the most kind caring person who ever existed, but I have no way of knowing what is in his heart of hearts so I can only judge him by what he has said and done, and I am arguing that his actions don’t match his words.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by scrollop »

alt227 wrote: post #110
tombert wrote: post #49

It's frustrating. Sam Altman already has everything . He's a billionaire, he can buy literally anything he wants, he can live anywhere he wants, he can buy a brand new sports car every day just to blow it up, he can buy a new house every week just to demolish and replace it with a trampoline park. He can afford to do anything . He can fucking afford to have some fucking principles. He's not going to end up on the str…

> He can fucking afford to have some fucking principles. Who is to say he doesnt? Just because they dont align with yours doesnt mean he doesnt have his own principles. > he's choosing to do the wrong thing To many millions he is doing the right thing. I am on the fence personally, but I know many people who think that increasing defense capabilities at any cost is something that the governmetn should be doing. Any c…

"increasing defense capabilities at any cost "

Ugh

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by alt227 »

scrollop wrote: post #126
alt227 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He can fucking afford to have some fucking principles. Who is to say he doesnt? Just because they dont align with yours doesnt mean he doesnt have his own principles. > he's choosing to do the wrong thing To many millions he is doing the right thing. I am on the fence personally, but I know many people who think that increasing defense capabilities at any cost is something that the governmetn should be doing. Any c…

"increasing defense capabilities at any cost " Ugh

Agreed, but in this society of fear created after 9/11 it is a very popular sentiment across many millions of people.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by tombert »

alt227 wrote: post #120
deaux wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's frustrating. Sam Altman already has everything. He's a billionaire, he can buy literally anything he wants, he can live anywhere he wants, he can buy a brand new sports car every day just to blow it up, he can buy a new house every week just to demolish and replace it with a trampoline park. He can afford to do anything. No, he doesn't have everything. See, maybe he's worth $3 billion. Or maybe $30 billion. Bu…

We live in a capitalist economy. What do you expect, a company to just say 'Thats fine we have enough money we dont need any more'? How does a $100 billion dollar company grow? By taking on massive government and military contracts, they are the only clients big enough left in the world. If a company does not show continual growth then it is classed as failing. That is the society we have built, and you cannot blame…

Somehow Anthropic’s CEO managed to reach a different conclusion.

They don’t have to do business with every single entity who asks them to and they don’t have to bend over for every stipulation that that entity asks for.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by lwhi »

alt227 wrote: post #110
tombert wrote: post #49

It's frustrating. Sam Altman already has everything . He's a billionaire, he can buy literally anything he wants, he can live anywhere he wants, he can buy a brand new sports car every day just to blow it up, he can buy a new house every week just to demolish and replace it with a trampoline park. He can afford to do anything . He can fucking afford to have some fucking principles. He's not going to end up on the str…

> He can fucking afford to have some fucking principles. Who is to say he doesnt? Just because they dont align with yours doesnt mean he doesnt have his own principles. > he's choosing to do the wrong thing To many millions he is doing the right thing. I am on the fence personally, but I know many people who think that increasing defense capabilities at any cost is something that the governmetn should be doing. Any c…

There has to be a line that will not be crossed, in order to be seen to have principles.

Until that line has been reached, we can safely assume there are no principles at play.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Post by ddtaylor »

eastbound wrote: post #109
ddtaylor wrote: post #54

Story time! I actually cancelled my ChatGPT subscription in late 2024 and documented the process, kind of as a social media thing because it had gotten so bad and I realized nobody in my family was using it anymore. I asked my wife if she was getting any use out of it and she told me she had been using Gemini and Grok for months because "GPT is very lazy now". After a while another charge came in for the subscription…

> Well, Privacy.com won that dispute and I got that money back. Well, it seems like ChatGPT’s automated litigation resolution with Privacy.com got lazy. I wonder how a company with an AI can lose in a dispute instead of smokescreening the opponent with legitimate arguments and legalese.

It helps when you have a video posted on social media the day you cancelled and a video of talking to a clueless AI customer retention system that seems to not agree or understand how time works.

Also, chargeback dispute is limited to 3 rounds of back and fourth by Visa and MasterCard both. They don't get to endlessly come back etc.

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